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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    I wonder how people would feel about putting armed guards in churches. Lots of easy targets, and it seems some people like to shoot up their parking lots so maybe people would appreciate an armed guard watching them as they pray?
    Some churches do have armed guards...and they have saved lives. But there are armed guards...and then there are armed guards who will actually deal with a situation.

    The following link recounts the events of a shooting at a church in my area: The Heroine Of The Colorado Springs Church Shooting | Nice Deb

    And, yeah...I think the hundred or so people she saved don't have a problem with armed guards at their church.

    btw, if Jeanne Assam...or someone like her...had been at Sandy Hook Elementary I think it would be safe to say that a bunch of 6 and 7 year old children would be alive today.
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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    We have all been watching far too much Rambo and Under Siege. An averagely trained teacher wielding a fire arm, while under fire, is far more likely shoot a one of his students in the chaos of the event than "neutralize" an active shooter....

    Sorry, but the whole gun debate / NRA posturing on school safety is rapidly moving to the territory of absurdity. Reason was abandoned long ago.
    Some of us have actually been in real situations and know personally wtf we're talking about. You apparently just play video-games.

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    We have all been watching far too much Rambo and Under Siege. An averagely trained teacher wielding a fire arm, while under fire, is far more likely shoot a one of his students in the chaos of the event than "neutralize" an active shooter....

    Sorry, but the whole gun debate / NRA posturing on school safety is rapidly moving to the territory of absurdity. Reason was abandoned long ago.
    The teachers wouldn't be averagely trained. Several weeks during the summer they would be required to take special courses.

    And do you have any actual facts to suggest that the teachers would do more harm than good? Let's imagine for a second one teacher did accidentally shoot a kid while trying to return fire to a shooter. One life trying to save 25 isn't that bad. Better than being completely unarmed and being shot like turkeys, like you'd prefer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Because criminals will patiently wait for you to retrieve your weapon.
    It needs to be paired with better security on campus to alert sooner to a threat. The gun will be very close by, and very quick to access, but the box will still restrict access to unauthorized personnel.
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    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    The teachers wouldn't be averagely trained. Several weeks during the summer they would be required to take special courses.

    And do you have any actual facts to suggest that the teachers would do more harm than good? Let's imagine for a second one teacher did accidentally shoot a kid while trying to return fire to a shooter. One life trying to save 25 isn't that bad. Better than being completely unarmed and being shot like turkeys, like you'd prefer.



    It needs to be paired with better security on campus to alert sooner to a threat. The gun will be very close by, and very quick to access, but the box will still restrict access to unauthorized personnel.
    Add source material to be taken seriously.

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    No need, I'm armed at church, and I'm not the only one.
    they will need an armed guard to shoot you when you go nuts and start blowing people away in the parking lot. That is what MAD is all about.

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Some churches do have armed guards...and they have saved lives. But there are armed guards...and then there are armed guards who will actually deal with a situation.

    The following link recounts the events of a shooting at a church in my area: The Heroine Of The Colorado Springs Church Shooting | Nice Deb

    And, yeah...I think the hundred or so people she saved don't have a problem with armed guards at their church.

    btw, if Jeanne Assam...or someone like her...had been at Sandy Hook Elementary I think it would be safe to say that a bunch of 6 and 7 year old children would be alive today.
    Well, I am sure there will be no objections to putting armed guards in all the churches. hell, pass out guns at the front door. Give everyone a gun for mass. It would be a great program for promoting the church. I am sure it would breed a welcoming atmosphere of peace to know everyone around you is packing. I fully endorse the idea and it sounds great to me.

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Well, I am sure there will be no objections to putting armed guards in all the churches. hell, pass out guns at the front door. Give everyone a gun for mass. It would be a great program for promoting the church. I am sure it would breed a welcoming atmosphere of peace to know everyone around you is packing. I fully endorse the idea and it sounds great to me.
    tererun, you should know by now that using hyperbole when you've just had your ass handed to you only makes you look more foolish than you already are.
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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Why don't we just put armed people everywhere? Why stop at schools?

    It's so disappointing to see people overlooking the more fundamental problem that has plagued school shootings for the past 10 years, which is: mental health.

    Quote Originally Posted by NYT http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/01/health/more-diagnoses-of-hyperactivity-causing-concern.html?hp&_r=2&
    "These rates reflect a marked rise over the last decade and could fuel growing concern among many doctors that the A.D.H.D. diagnosis and its medication are overused in American children.

    The figures showed that an estimated 6.4 million children ages 4 through 17 had received an A.D.H.D. diagnosis at some point in their lives, a 16 percent increase since 2007 and a 53 percent rise in the past decade. About two-thirds of those with a current diagnosis receive prescriptions for stimulants like Ritalin or Adderall, which can drastically improve the lives of those with A.D.H.D. but can also lead to addiction, anxiety and occasionally psychosis."
    The State is waging a war on drugs while allowing legal drugs to pervade all of society, including the most innocent. The most recent sandy hook shooting was by a child who was suffering from withdrawals from anti-depressants. We are letting the State and educational system drug children who won't fall in line with an increasingly defunct system, and when they start to break down and act out - even though they don't understand why or who they are really acting out against - we turn the debate to guns themselves. Pathetic.

    Maybe we should invest more effort into shoring up mental health in our schools, instead of taking money away from them, making them hellish places to be at, and then arming the place with weaponized soldiers because kids who are being given pharmaceutical straitjackets are starting to crack?

    If children are cracking this much, then it's the system's fault, and not because of lack of guns. People don't just go crazy and start shooting for no reason.

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    tererun, you should know by now that using hyperbole when you've just had your ass handed to you only makes you look more foolish than you already are.
    No, I am serious, guns in churches is a great idea for me. It could not possibly turn out poorly for me at all. Even in the example mentioned above, how many died from gun in those churches? It is a wonderful idea. You are just mad because you know why i support guns in churches and you also know i am right about what it would turn churches into.

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Add source material to be taken seriously.
    I didnt make any statements of fact or quote statistics. I simply provided a good idea. Are you sure you understand how this sourcing thing works?
    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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