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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Sometimes I feel as if I'm talking to a brick wall. I'm not talking about gun storage, I'm talking about guns in general. And a state law will not make a difference, it needs to be federal.
    So is that a yes or a no? Did CT even address gun storage? I know they banned a bunch of guns, wich doesn't matter because Adam's Bushmaster was AWB compliant, and they made a weapon offender registry which wouldn't have made a difference either because neither Adam or his mother had a criminal history, and they banned mags over 10rnds which is a joke because Columbine was carried out useing AWB compliant 10rnd mags....

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I understood it completely. And no, it doesn't. Explains that it is difficult for even the most trained, so therefore it would be next to impossible for the least trained. It's not a hard argument to follow.
    On the contrary. As a moderately well trained individual, I can look at these officers performance and ascertain that either they were atrociously trained, or that (more likely) they chose to utterly ignore their training. Neither of which is an argument that the civilian populace can disarm secure in the knowledge that the state can adequately protect them.

    He made the argument that armed civilians would blow away innocents, implicitly contrasting that with his favored policy, which is armed police. When asked to provide examples of armed citizens doing so, he instead provided examples which discredited his own preference.

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I have seen many idiotic arguments coming from the ARC over the last 4 decades

    the "changing the relationship" between a student and teacher is way up on the list of really clownish claims
    If having a gun doesn't change the dynamic in a relationship, then there's no reason to have a gun at school in the first place. Your entire premise rests on the argument of the gun changing the dynamic of a situation, whether it be to act as a deterrent to those looking to cause harm or to those actively engaging in causing harm.

    The fact you dismiss that which you are arguing, when it is no longer convenient for you to argue it, makes your position hypocritical.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    So is that a yes or a no? Did CT even address gun storage?
    I have no idea, I don't live in Connecticut. My response was "your question is irrelevant, because I'm not talking about gun safes in one state, I'm talking about gun availability on a national scale". And both your question and my response is irrelevant to the topic of this thread, which is about arming teachers.

    Why is it so hard for so many people like you to follow along with a discussion? I feel like I'm having to hold your hand right now.

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    If having a gun doesn't change the dynamic in a relationship, then there's no reason to have a gun at school in the first place. Your entire premise rests on the argument of the gun changing the dynamic of a situation, whether it be to act as a deterrent to those looking to cause harm or to those actively engaging in causing harm.

    The fact you dismiss that which you are arguing, when it is no longer convenient for you to argue it, makes your position hypocritical.
    I have no idea, I don't live in Connecticut. My response was "your question is irrelevant, because I'm not talking about gun safes in one state, I'm talking about gun availability on a national scale". And both your question and my response is irrelevant to the topic of this thread, which is about arming teachers.

    Why is it so hard for so many people like you to follow along with a discussion? I feel like I'm having to hold your hand right now.
    the only time when a gun changes a dynamic is when the gun is actually used. My interaction with non hostiles is no different when I am armed vs not armed

    if you actually carried weapons you would understand that



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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    If having a gun doesn't change the dynamic in a relationship, then there's no reason to have a gun at school in the first place.
    Whenever people start talking about children, you start obsessing about relationships and holding hands....

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    So is that a yes or a no? Did CT even address gun storage? I know they banned a bunch of guns, wich doesn't matter because Adam's Bushmaster was AWB compliant, and they made a weapon offender registry which wouldn't have made a difference either because neither Adam or his mother had a criminal history, and they banned mags over 10rnds which is a joke because Columbine was carried out useing AWB compliant 10rnd mags....
    the anti gun turds want to make lots of current legal gun owners criminals. I have so many magazines I have no idea where all of them are-various safes, drawers in my worship, in pieces on my work bench, in my shooting bag my desk etc

    I have some in boxes from the makers shipped to me that I have yet to use

    but the turds would want to jail someone for merely owning ONE they didn't register. They want to ruin lives

    its disgusting and it won't stop people intending to kill others



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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    The amusing part is where you were the one accusing others of not thinking things through. Could you please direct me to the moment I asked you to apologize to me?
    Now see? This post of your...which I've heavily snipped...is a prime example of someone who doesn't want to discuss...but only wants to obfuscate.

    You see, I never said that you asked me to apologize to you, yet you imply that I did.

    With your use of liberal/socialist debating tactics (which I've seen numerous times from your ilk, btw) there really is no point in wasting time with you.

    You are dismissed.
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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the only time when a gun changes a dynamic is when the gun is actually used. My interaction with non hostiles is no different when I am armed vs not armed

    if you actually carried weapons you would understand that
    One thing is for sure: despite the law, someone in Sandy Hook had a gun, and the dynamic was certainly changed for many.

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    One thing is for sure: despite the law, someone in Sandy Hook had a gun, and the dynamic was certainly changed for many.
    and that is what the gun haters fear-not enough dead innocents to serve as a tool to cause the masses to hate gun ownership.



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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    On the contrary. As a moderately well trained individual, I can look at these officers performance and ascertain that either they were atrociously trained, or that (more likely) they chose to utterly ignore their training. Neither of which is an argument that the civilian populace can disarm secure in the knowledge that the state can adequately protect them.

    He made the argument that armed civilians would blow away innocents, implicitly contrasting that with his favored policy, which is armed police. When asked to provide examples of armed citizens doing so, he instead provided examples which discredited his own preference.
    Honestly, I don't believe that. I work with some, and have many times in the past. I think some just try to convince themselves of that.

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