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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    It's not discredited at all, it just doesn't fit in the neat little box you're trying to construct.

    But we're talking about changing the gun culture, don't you remember?
    Which just so has coincided with a DECREASE in the number of homes which possess a gun (something around 50% in the 1970s and something around 30% today).

    Contrary to what you want to believe and what you want others to believe, there is PLENTY of credible evidence that fewer guns result in fewer gun crimes. Not to mention, it's just common sense.

    But really, this is off-topic. Let's get back to discussing arming teachers and why it is a bad idea.
    LOL that is just BS

    many people refuse to tell those who call them out of the blue that they own guns

    arming responsible adults is the ONLY thing that would have stopped lanza

    and one of the things that the far wrong never admits is when they talk about fewer guns=fewer crimes it is only true when its FEWER GUNS IN THE HANDS OF CRIMINALS but sadly DEMOCRAT PARTY SCHEMES disarm GOOD PEOPLE and not the bad

    if fewer LEGAL guns means fewer crimes why are crime rates decreasing with millions upon millions of guns bought after Obama was elected?

    and why is CHCAGO where LEGAL GUN OWNERSHIP IS HIGHLY restricted, a crime ridden cesspool

    the NEA talking points are worthless dude.



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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    arming responsible adults is the ONLY thing that would have stopped lanza
    Nonsense. Slyfox696's gun-free zone saved all those children. As soon as Lansa tried to bring a gun into the school, *poof* the anti-gun fairy made his rifle vanish.
    Last edited by Jerry; 04-05-13 at 12:11 AM.

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the claim that a teacher is armed with a concealed weapon is somehow going to change the dynamic with a student is probably the bs democratic teachers unions spew in support of democratic party's desire to maintain gun free victim disarmament zones.
    I'm neither a Democrat nor apart of any teacher's union.

    Just out of curiosity, do people like you just have a random "blame X on Y" playbook? If so, can I see it? I already know it probably includes the following words: liberal, Democrat, union and mainstream media. What else?

    And yes, I'm mocking your post. If it wasn't obvious.

    I call crap on this
    I don't care what you call, you'd be wrong.

    To borrow a quote from the nearly infallible sheriff Andy Taylor, "When a man carries a gun all the time, the respect he thinks he's getting might really be fear". I think this is a good and quick explanation even you should at least be able to consider.
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    LOL that is just BS

    many people refuse to tell those who call them out of the blue that they own guns
    ....so...that's somehow different from when they were called in the 70s? Are you trying to say everyone in the 70s told the truth and people now refuse? Do you realize how illogical your comment is here?

    arming responsible adults is the ONLY thing that would have stopped lanza
    No, him not having guns in the first place would have stopped him. But if you want armed adults, let's have those armed adults be police officers, not teachers. Which I've said multiple times now.

    and one of the things that the far wrong never admits is when they talk about fewer guns=fewer crimes it is only true when its FEWER GUNS IN THE HANDS OF CRIMINALS but sadly DEMOCRAT PARTY SCHEMES disarm GOOD PEOPLE and not the bad
    Seriously, could please show me that playbook?

    if fewer LEGAL guns means fewer crimes why are crime rates decreasing with millions upon millions of guns bought after Obama was elected?

    and why is CHCAGO where LEGAL GUN OWNERSHIP IS HIGHLY restricted, a crime ridden cesspool
    Attachment 67145592

    Perhaps you'll note the general decline in gun homicide in Chicago until the Supreme Court forced Chicago to loosen their gun laws. Again, I know you don't like using facts when they don't fit in your neat little box, but it really is necessary sometimes.

    the NEA talking points are worthless dude.
    What's the NEA? And why are you referencing them when I don't even know who they are?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Nonsense. Slyfox696's gun-free zone saved all those children. As soon as Lansa tried to bring a gun into the school, *poof* the anti-gun fairy made his rifle vanish.
    And yet, if we made it difficult to obtain these weapons, Lanza would have been far less likely to show up at the school at all.

    But hey, don't bother actually addressing my REAL position when it is far easier to knock down the strawman. Good show.

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    This guy's getting all bent out of shape just because I suggested that people be allowed to do a perfectly legal thing in a school.

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    And yet, if we made it difficult to obtain these weapons, Lanza would have been far less likely to show up at the school at all.

    But hey, don't bother actually addressing my REAL position when it is far easier to knock down the strawman. Good show.
    The gun safe was in his room. The cops found it open, with no sign of forced entry.

    Did the recent CT gun control laws even address gun storage?

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    This guy's getting all bent out of shape just because I suggested that people be allowed to do a perfectly legal thing in a school.
    Who's getting out of shape? You're the one resorting to fallacious arguments and accusing me of being in a teacher's union which A) I'm not and B) has nothing to do with this debate. It appears to me you are the one FAR more upset with the direction this conversation has going, leading you to blatantly misrepresent my positions and accuse me of things I do not do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The gun safe was in his room. The cops found it open, with no sign of forced entry.

    Did the recent CT gun control laws even address gun storage?
    Sometimes I feel as if I'm talking to a brick wall. I'm not talking about gun storage, I'm talking about guns in general. And a state law will not make a difference, it needs to be federal.

    But again, let's get back on topic.

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    This guy's getting all bent out of shape just because I suggested that people be allowed to do a perfectly legal thing in a school.
    Jeffrey Snyder (A Nation of Cowards as well as monthly articles in AMERICAN HANDGUNNER) noted that armed citizens accentuate feelings of inadequacy in those who refuse to make personal safety and individual responsibility. Gun banning-to such people-is so virulent because what these people are really trying to do is to rid themselves of their own feelings of timidity.



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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Who's getting out of shape? You're the one resorting to fallacious arguments and accusing me of being in a teacher's union which A) I'm not and B) has nothing to do with this debate. It appears to me you are the one FAR more upset with the direction this conversation has going, leading you to blatantly misrepresent my positions and accuse me of things I do not do.



    Sometimes I feel as if I'm talking to a brick wall. I'm not talking about gun storage, I'm talking about guns in general.

    But again, let's get back on topic.
    I have seen many idiotic arguments coming from the ARC over the last 4 decades

    the "changing the relationship" between a student and teacher is way up on the list of really clownish claims



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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The gun safe was in his room. The cops found it open, with no sign of forced entry.

    Did the recent CT gun control laws even address gun storage?
    You know, if I was willing to kill someone who owns guns and I got the drop on them, I can guarantee you I could get them to up a gun safe.



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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Jeffrey Snyder (A Nation of Cowards as well as monthly articles in AMERICAN HANDGUNNER) noted that armed citizens accentuate feelings of inadequacy in those who refuse to make personal safety and individual responsibility. Gun banning-to such people-is so virulent because what these people are really trying to do is to rid themselves of their own feelings of timidity.
    Which is amusing, because people who argue my side say people like you own a gun to make up for the feeling of inadequacy of what is between your legs. When you understand why the position people on my side take is silly, you'll understand why I find the position you just presented is silly.

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