Lanza is like a Japanese Kamikaze fighter. My father was a deck gunner. Kamikazes considered themselves dead before they ever started their dive into our ships. THe only way to stop them was to blow their planes up before they hit our ships. same with people like Lanza.
I don't have a problem with putting an armed and properly trained law enforcement officer (or two) in our schools, i.e., local police, sheriff, sheriff's deputy or an undercover police officer, whether the educational institution is public, private K-12 or college campus. I do, however, have a problem with arming members of the school faculty. The problems this could cause are vast with the most obvious being wrongful death. Can you imagine a teacher shooting an innocent student he/she thought was the bad guy? And what about the potential of a student getting into a struggle with a teacher and somehow managing to disarm him/her and then using the weapon against said teacher, a student or a member of the school faculty. Or how about if the teacher loses control with a student known to be a problem in the school and in a fit of rage draws his/her weapon and fires.
Arming teachers may sound like a good idea in the wake of such school shootings as Newtown or Columbine, but the truth is it's a dangerous counter-weight to these such unfortunate incidents. The smarter move would be to:
a) make the building more secure; and,
b) put adequate trained security in place both within and outside the school.
For building security, you install better security windows that also meet fire code so that students have escape routes in case of fire, but still allow one-way access (inside-out). If necessary, you make the windows shatter-proof yet easy enough to open from the inside. Add video surveillance so school faculty and/or internal law enforcement can see what's happening inside the school. Secure all external access points with keyless entry so that the public is either buzzed in after opening bell/during school hours or provide all students and faculty with a card-swipe pass-key (student IDs with barcodes could provide same type of entryway security/access). One school I read about recently even went as far as to install a security system where all doors to classroom and external entry points all locked at the push of a panic button. This either contained the would-be criminal right where he stood or kept him from gaining access to any other part of the school. BRILLIANT! Schools could even stick with the somewhat tried but not quite 100% fail-safe of using metal detectors or random searches to find concealed weapons. Any combination of these remedies would catch the bad guy in his tracks and prevent him from doing any (further) harm.
As far as teachers being allowed to carry fire arms on school grounds, the only way I see that concept as feasible is if the teachers took a similar fire arms safety course as local law enforcement, not some 3-day crash course on gun safety. The later is not the same as the former, not even close! Teachers would have to do more than know how to spot the danger; they'd have to know exactly how and when to react. I seriously doubt that your typical school teacher would know what to do in a situation of true civil unrest where they had to draw their weapons and fire on a student or an adult who may very well be a parent to one of the student. Mr. LaPierre may love quoting the line, "the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun," and it may be a good catch-phrase to rally the 2nd Amendment enthusiast to his side but once an innocent child is shot by one of these gun toottin' enthusiast you can bet the public will start to wonder why they ever gave in to such recklessness.
Last edited by Objective Voice; 04-04-13 at 09:52 PM.
If you go to any police department and pull ten officers at random and then go to any gun club or public shooting range and pull ten patrons at random
and have them shoot the police qualification course-be it a paper course or a "hogan's alley" with shoot and no shoot targets
and then have them take the written test that many states require for a CCW license
who do you think will score higher
or the armed civilians
I know the answer-anyone else want to hazard a guess?
we already have one armed deputy at each school, have for years
Please don't say I'm making a mistake when I'm just repeating what I heard from the very people who will be entering my building in that situation. It makes you look silly.
Yes, because our only two options are obviously to give teachers guns or to huddle in the corner. Of course, that's entirely untrue, as the training I attended a few weeks ago demonstrated.Sounds to me like your police want you to just sit tight in your classroom huddled in a corner with your kids. And it sounds to me like you are content to do just that.
But don't worry about it, I've read your posts on here before, and I wouldn't expect you to consider the concept of me having a little more understanding of what could happen in those situations than you. After all, I'm only the one who actually had the conversations with the officers and the one who went through the training and will continue to go through the training. And you...well....
The amusing part is where you were the one accusing others of not thinking things through. Could you please direct me to the moment I asked you to apologize to me?I have no reason to apologize to you. Heck, I wasn't even TALKING to you when I made my comments. So...unless you are the sock puppet of the person I WAS talking to, you need to get off your high horse, dude.
Given your inability to comprehend what I've said thus far, I'm not sure you're really in the proper position to identify anyone as a dumbass.And they would be thinking like dumbasses
Not surprisingly, my comment went right over your head. Does this happen to you in most threads, or should I feel lucky it's happening in this thread?You know what? You go right ahead and be pussywhipped by the thought of someone choosing to be armed if they think they may be in danger while doing whatever they want to do to live their lives. Like going to church.
If we were to have a conversation on how to properly teach self-defense with a gun, I'll defer to you. If we're going to talk about how a gun changes the relationship between a child and teacher, I'll rely far more on my experience with over 200 different kids every week. Using your logic, since I run my school's website, I'm qualified to tell Steve Ballmer how to run Microsoft. Just as silly as the idea I can run Microsoft is, the idea your history has any relevance in our present discussion is just as silly.
one of the most discredited arguments raised by those who really don't understand the crime issue is braying about other countries. There is absolutely no credible studies that can establish that say England, that had really low rates of crime long before they started restricting guns, and its laws would work here. Indeed, as England BANNED handguns violent Crime INCREASED while our nation, that has at least 300 million guns, increased that number, saw violent crime GO DOWN
I carried guns and knives for years-99% of the people I know never knew I carried
the claim that a teacher is armed with a concealed weapon is somehow going to change the dynamic with a student is probably the bs democratic teachers unions spew in support of democratic party's desire to maintain gun free victim disarmament zones. I call crap on this, I am coaching kids mainly from age 9 until they go to college
and we only want those who are not afraid of guns carrying. those who are terrified to defend themselves or their students are better off not carrying.
But we're talking about changing the gun culture, don't you remember?There is absolutely no credible studies that can establish that say England, that had really low rates of crime long before they started restricting guns
Which just so has coincided with a DECREASE in the number of homes which possess a gun (something around 50% in the 1970s and something around 30% today).while our nation, that has at least 300 million guns, increased that number, saw violent crime GO DOWN
Contrary to what you want to believe and what you want others to believe, there is PLENTY of credible evidence that fewer guns result in fewer gun crimes. Not to mention, it's just common sense.
But really, this is off-topic. Let's get back to discussing arming teachers and why it is a bad idea.