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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    The ignorant low information sheep who think gun control=crime control might believe the swill people like Biden and Feintard spew.
    Yes, because it's not like there are countries all over the world which support such a belief....oh wait....

    But those turds and the other leaders of the gun ban movement don't give a damn about innocent children. Its about punishing voters and organizations who tend to fund the GOP
    As opposed to the GOP, who doesn't give a rat's rear end about the 2nd Amendment or innocent children, except to curry favor with their voters.

    What a waste of time for you to state something so obvious. By the way, my bet is I care FAR more about school children (and school safety) than you do, and I'm much more likely to agree with Biden than I am you. For what it's worth.

    I have forgotten more about this topic than I suspect you will ever know.
    Really? How long have you been a teacher?

    I am a court certified expert on this subject. I have been involved in shootings, defending shooters and doing "postmortems" on defensive or claimed defensive shootings.
    Congratulations??? What does that have to do with arming teachers?

    I train with one of the leading authorities on active shooters in the nation. Blaming law abiding gun owners for these shootings is pathetic. Those who create gun free zones are far far more culpable but in reality, its the killers who are at fault and people like you want them to operate in a safe environment
    Is it really so hard to read my entire post? If yes, then don't ever bother replying to me again. If no, go back and read the post of mine you quoted again.

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Here in SD we're arming more than teachers.

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    It's not like it's rocket science to learn how to properly use and handle a gun. A few safety and shooting classes. Why are people SO afraid of armed teachers?

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    why do the anti gun ARC members spend so much time whining about the NRA and almost no bandwidth bashing criminals?


    Because we all love criminals, don't you know? What a ridiculous post. Nobody defends evil people, we all agree they are evil and criminals are bashed all the time. Are you really saying those who supporter stricter gun control haven't criticized what Adam Lanza did? Of course they have, you're just being silly if you argue otherwise.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I edited my post, please readdress your response accordingly.
    There's no point responding. You replied to a question asking if the NRA would pay for their proposal. Your response was that no one is asking the government to pay for this, which is provably false.

    I'm glad we agree the NRA's plan is stupid. Where we disagree is your idea that adults should be allowed to carry firearms on a school campus. And if you wish to debate this, I've already provided a post explaining my side.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It's not like it's rocket science to learn how to properly use and handle a gun. A few safety and shooting classes. Why are people SO afraid of armed teachers?
    For many reasons. But for me, it's not just the fear of untrained teachers being asked to engage in life and death situations in an open environment and make all the right decisions, it's also the effect it has on every day education in the classroom and collaboration amongst peers.

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Yes, because it's not like there are countries all over the world which support such a belief....oh wait....

    As opposed to the GOP, who doesn't give a rat's rear end about the 2nd Amendment or innocent children, except to curry favor with their voters.

    What a waste of time for you to state something so obvious. By the way, my bet is I care FAR more about school children (and school safety) than you do, and I'm much more likely to agree with Biden than I am you. For what it's worth.

    Really? How long have you been a teacher?

    Congratulations??? What does that have to do with arming teachers?


    Is it really so hard to read my entire post? If yes, then don't ever bother replying to me again. If no, go back and read the post of mine you quoted again.
    citing other countries is a losing argument. YOur post is swill and has no merit. I have a kid in school-a school my family helped found. So you are wrong. Your silly calls for gun restrictions do nothing.



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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Where we disagree is your idea that adults should be allowed to carry firearms on a school campus.
    We already carry guns around you and your children; at the park, at the mall, in the store. There's nothing special about a school.

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    For many reasons. But for me, it's not just the fear of untrained teachers being asked to engage in life and death situations in an open environment and make all the right decisions, it's also the effect it has on every day education in the classroom and collaboration amongst peers.
    Think about this. If a gunman comes into YOUR child's school, it isn't a "life or death" situation. If no one is armed, it is just a death situation, unless you're one of the lucky ones. The ONLY thing that will stop a lunatic like that is to take him out immediately. I would rather know that there is at least ONE armed person on the premises. We have armed guards to protect our money, our celebrities, our politicians, but we're too frightened to protect our children?

    Also, the chances that a teacher would actually ever have to use that weapon are pretty slim.

    BTW, who says they have to be untrained. Like I said, you don't have to be a genius to learn how to properly and safely shoot and care for your weapon.

    Also, I don't think it would have ANY effect on the students or the classroom learning environment. The children wouldn't even have to know.

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    citing other countries is a losing argument.
    Yes, anything which supports our side must be a losing argument. Seriously, just stop. There are plenty of people who are quality debaters on being pro gun, but right now, you're not striking me as one of them.

    I have a kid in school-a school my family helped found. So you are wrong. Your silly calls for gun restrictions do nothing.
    And I teach nearly 200 different kids every week in the school I've been a part of for over 20 years. If we're comparing resumes....

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    We already carry guns around you and your children; at the park, at the mall, in the store. There's nothing special about a school.
    Yes, there is. A school is a place to learn. The relationship between adult and child and the relationship between co-workers is very important. I don't care if you carry your firearm at the park or the mall or the store, it doesn't affect what I do and it doesn't affect the learning my student have. But bring a firearm into the equation and the dynamic in the relationship changes dramatically. And there is no way you can possibly argue otherwise, else there would be no point in you arguing for guns in school.

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    *Note* Apologies for the double post, forum timed out in between.
    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Think about this. If a gunman comes into YOUR child's school, it isn't a "life or death" situation.
    Of course it is. You have to decide to fight or flee. You need to know how many intruders there are, where they are, and what their intentions (specifically) might be.

    If no one is armed, it is just a death situation, unless you're one of the lucky ones. The ONLY thing that will stop a lunatic like that is to take him out immediately. I would rather know that there is at least ONE armed person on the premises. We have armed guards to protect our money, our celebrities, our politicians, but we're too frightened to protect our children?
    Could you please read the long post I posted earlier, the one about having uniformed police officers in the building? Thank you.

    Also, the chances that a teacher would actually ever have to use that weapon are pretty slim.
    Yes, you are right. The teacher would most likely be the first one killed.

    Also, I don't think it would have ANY effect on the students or the classroom learning environment. The children wouldn't even have to know.
    Unequivocally false. The children WOULD know and it WOULD have an effect on the environment. If introducing a gun to a situation doesn't change the dynamic in a situation, why bother to have the gun in the first place. Your entire argument is based around the gun changing the dynamic in a situation, why do you think it would not do the same in other situations?

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post

    Leave it to someone like you to say something ridiculous and then use it to criticize a "liberal". We went through crisis training with police just a couple of weeks ago, and they made it VERY clear that when they come in, they're coming in hard. They start shooting high and their gunfire follows you as your corpse hits the ground. They were very clear that they don't care what you do before they get there, just don't be standing in an aggressive stance when they enter the room.

    But hey, continue on with your insults about being "unable to think something through".
    You make the same mistake the other guy made....not thinking things through. Now, think about it...if an armed teacher, janitor, principle...whatever...has been engaging a shooter when the police arrive, do you honestly think the police are going to fire them up just because they have a gun in their hand? If they do, someone's going to lose his job at the least. Maybe go to prison. Furthermore, I would expect the police to KNOW that there is an armed friendly person on the grounds. Sounds to me like your police want you to just sit tight in your classroom huddled in a corner with your kids. And it sounds to me like you are content to do just that.

    See my comment above. I'd ask you to apologize, but in my short time on these forums, I won't hold my breath.
    I have no reason to apologize to you. Heck, I wasn't even TALKING to you when I made my comments. So...unless you are the sock puppet of the person I WAS talking to, you need to get off your high horse, dude.

    And there are several who think it would be a good idea to prevent those guns from getting in the wrong hands in the first place.
    And they would be thinking like dumbasses if they think anyone can prevent firearms from getting in the wrong hands.

    Or they could just be smart and not go to church...though, I am not intending that to have anything to do with this debate, merely the idea of church itself.
    You know what? You go right ahead and be pussywhipped by the thought of someone choosing to be armed if they think they may be in danger while doing whatever they want to do to live their lives. Like going to church.
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