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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Call me old fashioned I just teachers should teach kids and leave the Die Hard stuff to the paid professionals.
    yeah its better to have 20 dead kids than one dead nutcase



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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Regulating guns is more practical and less expensive then arming teachers and expecting an average person with a glock to kill somebody with a bushmaster. Most people went into to teaching for many reasons, but few envisioned defending the school till their death.
    its also completely ineffective and has no merit.



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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You folks are just going off the deep end tonight.
    they hate the gun culture and saving kids is just an afterthought

    they don't really care about the safety of children OR they have not given the concept much rational thought

    Lanza committed first degree capital murder to acquire his weapons. He planned on trying to break the VT record of deaths and he chose the school because he knew it was without any armed defenders.

    She wolf would have us believe that someone who premeditates a massacre and has already planned to die is going to be thwarted because a bunch of pimps in office have banned certain guns. She obviously seems oblivious to the effectiveness of the war on drugs or prohibition



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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    they hate the gun culture and saving kids is just an afterthought

    they don't really care about the safety of children OR they have not given the concept much rational thought

    Lanza committed first degree capital murder to acquire his weapons. He planned on trying to break the VT record of deaths and he chose the school because he knew it was without any armed defenders.

    She wolf would have us believe that someone who premeditates a massacre and has already planned to die is going to be thwarted because a bunch of pimps in office have banned certain guns. She obviously seems oblivious to the effectiveness of the war on drugs or prohibition
    I've also noticed that they assume the government will be paying for teachers to have guns.

    Does it never occur to these people that some of us can pay our own bills like adults?

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    So...

    Would the government pay everyone the market value of their confiscated guns? How much would that cost? I don't have an exact number, but I would think that we're talking about 100 million or more guns. That would at the very least come to 50 billion dollars. All for guns that would most likely not be used to commit a crime.

    What about criminals with unregistered guns... you know the guns that are used in the bulk of gun crimes. Are you volunteering to go to Detroit and collect guns from gang members?
    Your rhetoric is a waste of time, for two reasons. You're asking questions you really don't want to hear my answers to (and would undoubtedly argue) and we both know what I want will not happen any time in the near future. So let's not waste our time with something you don't want to hear and will never happen.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Leave it to a liberal or a socialist to be unable to think something through.

    If the police showed up and told a teacher to drop their weapon...what do YOU think that teacher will do? Act like a shooter and start firing at them?
    Leave it to someone like you to say something ridiculous and then use it to criticize a "liberal". We went through crisis training with police just a couple of weeks ago, and they made it VERY clear that when they come in, they're coming in hard. They start shooting high and their gunfire follows you as your corpse hits the ground. They were very clear that they don't care what you do before they get there, just don't be standing in an aggressive stance when they enter the room.

    But hey, continue on with your insults about being "unable to think something through".

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    And now we know where you get your information.
    I got mine from those who were training us, who also happen to be the same people who would be entering my school if it came to that. Do you have a snide comment for me as well?
    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    what about the parents who object to guns being in school around their children?
    Or teachers who object to such an obvious difference in the power dynamic, not just between teachers and administrators, but also with the children.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Ahhh....I see what your problem is...you watch TV.

    Dude...they don't call that thing the "boob tube" for nothing, you know.
    See my comment above. I'd ask you to apologize, but in my short time on these forums, I won't hold my breath.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I put them in the same category as parents who don't want their children to be around gays or minorities.
    From some of the posts I've read from you, this doesn't surprise me. Take that however you wish.
    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Stuff and nonsense. This is citizens and parents desiring that the schools where their children spend so much time are properly equipped to protect them against nutters.
    Except they wish to do it in a way which makes far less sense. I agree, they are doing it because they THINK it will help, but that doesn't mean it's a logical thought.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    There actually are parents from Newtown who think it would have been nice to have at least one armed person at his/her child's school on one particular day.
    And there are several who think it would be a good idea to prevent those guns from getting in the wrong hands in the first place.
    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    We already have armed guards in many schools. My son's High School has one; an off-duty police Resource Officer. They don't seem overly intimidated by him... when I go by I often see students talking with him.

    As for teachers, I would personally not advocate FORCING them to be armed... oh no, not at all. Only if they do so willingly, pass the course/test for a concealed carry permit, and possibly an additional class focused on safety issues they would be dealing with in schools. Then the teachers would be carrying CONCEALED.... which means the students don't know who is or is not armed... and that puts a lot of the intimidation factor out, among other things.
    Teachers should not be armed, for so many reasons. While I was originally against the idea of armed officers in the school, I've kind of come around to that line of thinking. Not only do you have more protection in the building (and not with those who are expected to be teaching), but you can also have the officers around the children, teaching them that police officers really are good people and really do care about helping others. Just in the few months since Newtown, when our local police force started coming around much more often, the kids have really warmed up to the officers. I even saw a couple giving them high fives this morning.

    Armed police officers? I'm okay with that now, I think. Armed teachers? Terrible idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    And church-goers should just go to church instead of saving a hundred of their fellow worshipers. I understand.
    Or they could just be smart and not go to church...though, I am not intending that to have anything to do with this debate, merely the idea of church itself.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    No one is asking the government to pay for any of this.
    Really? You better alert the NRA of this, because you and them are not on the same page:

    The NRA's new list of recommendations include changing local state and district laws to allow school personnel to carry guns – the report even has appended a model state law that would do so. It calls on federal funding to be used to encourage the take up of armed school guards and their training, which would involve between 40 to 60 hours of induction into the use of weapons – with the NRA offering its services as a training institution.
    NRA reveals 'school shield' plan: armed guards on every campus 'will save lives' | World news | guardian.co.uk



    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    "Regulating the most dangerous guns" will work about as well as our current efforts to keep people from getting meth and crack and heroin.... that is to say, not at all.
    Really? So meth, crack and heroin are as prolific in society as cigarettes and alcohol, both of which are legal? Huh, who knew?

    By the way, that was sarcasm and me disagreeing entirely with the idea regulating an item doesn't curtail it's use. My apologies for the aggressive nature of the disagreement, but I do grow tired of the argument you presented.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    they hate the gun culture and saving kids is just an afterthought


    Yes, because there is NO WAY the gun culture is responsible for the deaths of thousands of people every year. Did you really just say that?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I've also noticed that they assume the government will be paying for teachers to have guns.

    Does it never occur to these people that some of us can pay our own bills like adults?
    Did it never occur to you to actually read the article which talked about the NRA's proposal? Because if you had, you probably wouldn't be posting this.
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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Did it never occur to you to actually read the article which talked about the NRA's proposal? Because if you had, you probably wouldn't be posting this.
    You care more about the NRA then I do. There isn't only Obama vs. the NRA. I've been fighting to remove gun free zones for years before Sandy Hook or any of this hype.

    I do not support the NRA's proposal. Not at all. I don't think there should be armed guards at the school, especially at tax payer expense. Just remove the gun-free zone. That's it. Let any ordinary regular adult who can already legally carry a gun everywhere else in the city also happen to carry while in the school, rather they work there or not. That's it. That's my whole plan. Remove the gun-free zone. No further action is necessary.
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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You care more about the NRA then I do.
    Good attempt at a dodge, unfortunately for you I'm not fooled by word games. You were addressing the training and armament of these people in the schools. You replied to someone who asked if the NRA was paying for this with a provably false statement stating "No one is asking the government to pay for any of this". Just because you were found to be wrong doesn't mean I care about the NRA. But this thread addresses the plan put forth by the NRA, and the question you replied to asked who would pay for the NRA's plan.

    Good try, better luck next time. Could you instead just admit you were wrong and apologize for spreading false information?

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Your rhetoric is a waste of time, for two reasons. You're asking questions you really don't want to hear my answers to (and would undoubtedly argue) and we both know what I want will not happen any time in the near future. So let's not waste our time with something you don't want to hear and will never happen.

    Leave it to someone like you to say something ridiculous and then use it to criticize a "liberal". We went through crisis training with police just a couple of weeks ago, and they made it VERY clear that when they come in, they're coming in hard. They start shooting high and their gunfire follows you as your corpse hits the ground. They were very clear that they don't care what you do before they get there, just don't be standing in an aggressive stance when they enter the room.

    But hey, continue on with your insults about being "unable to think something through".



    I got mine from those who were training us, who also happen to be the same people who would be entering my school if it came to that. Do you have a snide comment for me as well?


    Or teachers who object to such an obvious difference in the power dynamic, not just between teachers and administrators, but also with the children.


    See my comment above. I'd ask you to apologize, but in my short time on these forums, I won't hold my breath.


    From some of the posts I've read from you, this doesn't surprise me. Take that however you wish.

    Except they wish to do it in a way which makes far less sense. I agree, they are doing it because they THINK it will help, but that doesn't mean it's a logical thought.



    And there are several who think it would be a good idea to prevent those guns from getting in the wrong hands in the first place.

    Teachers should not be armed, for so many reasons. While I was originally against the idea of armed officers in the school, I've kind of come around to that line of thinking. Not only do you have more protection in the building (and not with those who are expected to be teaching), but you can also have the officers around the children, teaching them that police officers really are good people and really do care about helping others. Just in the few months since Newtown, when our local police force started coming around much more often, the kids have really warmed up to the officers. I even saw a couple giving them high fives this morning.

    Armed police officers? I'm okay with that now, I think. Armed teachers? Terrible idea.

    Or they could just be smart and not go to church...though, I am not intending that to have anything to do with this debate, merely the idea of church itself.


    Really? You better alert the NRA of this, because you and them are not on the same page:


    NRA reveals 'school shield' plan: armed guards on every campus 'will save lives' | World news | guardian.co.uk




    Really? So meth, crack and heroin are as prolific in society as cigarettes and alcohol, both of which are legal? Huh, who knew?

    By the way, that was sarcasm and me disagreeing entirely with the idea regulating an item doesn't curtail it's use. My apologies for the aggressive nature of the disagreement, but I do grow tired of the argument you presented.




    Yes, because there is NO WAY the gun culture is responsible for the deaths of thousands of people every year. Did you really just say that?



    Did it never occur to you to actually read the article which talked about the NRA's proposal? Because if you had, you probably wouldn't be posting this.
    I have been dealing with the ARC for almost 40 years. The ignorant low information sheep who think gun control=crime control might believe the swill people like Biden and Feintard spew. But those turds and the other leaders of the gun ban movement don't give a damn about innocent children. Its about punishing voters and organizations who tend to fund the GOP

    I have forgotten more about this topic than I suspect you will ever know. I am a court certified expert on this subject. I have been involved in shootings, defending shooters and doing "postmortems" on defensive or claimed defensive shootings.

    I train with one of the leading authorities on active shooters in the nation. Blaming law abiding gun owners for these shootings is pathetic. Those who create gun free zones are far far more culpable but in reality, its the killers who are at fault and people like you want them to operate in a safe environment



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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Good attempt at a dodge, unfortunately for you I'm not fooled by word games. You were addressing the training and armament of these people in the schools. You replied to someone who asked if the NRA was paying for this with a provably false statement stating "No one is asking the government to pay for any of this". Just because you were found to be wrong doesn't mean I care about the NRA. But this thread addresses the plan put forth by the NRA, and the question you replied to asked who would pay for the NRA's plan.

    Good try, better luck next time. Could you instead just admit you were wrong and apologize for spreading false information?

    why do the anti gun ARC members spend so much time whining about the NRA and almost no bandwidth bashing criminals?



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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Good attempt at a dodge, unfortunately for you I'm not fooled by word games.
    I edited my post, please readdress your response accordingly.

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