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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Adam Lanza chose Sandy Hook for several reasons. Familiarity with the layout and the fact it was a gun-free zone were the top two.

    His actual goal was to be the most prolific killer in history [the highest score if you will] Having no one to even slow him down made this an easy task.

    All these BS excuses of what 'might' happen (if teachers etc. are armed) only further endangers our children, families and friends.

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I agree. I would be afraid of a teacher shooting a student, or a kid getting some carless teacher's gun.

    Sometimes there are fights in high schools and teachers break up those fights. A teacher drawing a gun in that situation and aiming at the students would be ****ed up. Soldiers and police officers actually go through gun and situation training, and some of still improperly respond to situations and kill innocent people.


    I am do glad that I am not an educator.
    I would not allow carry. I would allow well hidden gun safes within the classroom of teachers if they are designated as auxiliary police.

    Change school entrances. It wont stop a killer like Lanza but it will make them tip their hand by having to shoot their way out of a concrete box with steel doors and no windows. Almost no effort is being made to secure entrances that require people to identify themselves and their intent before entering a school. That needs to change somehow.

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I am do glad that I am not an educator.
    I am an educator and I cannot think of a worse idea than arming the teachers. It amazes me people actually think putting guns in the hands of teachers is safer than removing the most dangerous guns from the populace. Don't teachers already have enough to do without worrying about being the school security guard as well?

    EDIT: This person did think of a worse idea (though I'm pretty certain the post was made tongue-in-cheek):

    Quote Originally Posted by BMCM View Post
    The solution to all these shootings is really very simple. On a child's 1st birthday the local, well regulated militia can hand deliver a brand new, shiny Glock with 5 fully loaded 30 round mags. On the child's 5th birthday they will receive a brand new AR-15. problem solved.

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    I am an educator and I cannot think of a worse idea than arming the teachers. It amazes me people actually think putting guns in the hands of teachers is safer than removing the most dangerous guns from the populace. Don't teachers already have enough to do without worrying about being the school security guard as well?
    Yeah, it will only take a new law to remove those dreaded "assault weapons". Assuming something like that could even succeed, do you really think a handgun would be less dangerous?

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    Yeah, it will only take a new law to remove those dreaded "assault weapons". Assuming something like that could even succeed, do you really think a handgun would be less dangerous?
    Who said anything about leaving handguns? I'll look over my post again, but I'm pretty certain I didn't say anything about assault weapons, especially since handguns are responsible for the majority of gun related deaths in America, at least according to a few different gun supporters I've heard from. I've heard over 80%, but I cannot easily/quickly find a statistic right now.

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I was thinking "most cops have a lot more experience with pistols than my one enlistment". And then I saw 200 rnds/year. What? That must be including desk-jobs that merely 'qualify' occasionally. I expect a street cop or other cops very likely to encounter serious criminals to do 200 rnds per week or, at most, month. Just privately, who wouldn't spend a couple days at the range in such a job.

    What's up with that stat?


    you'd be wrong. In Cincinnati I studied Ammo use 984 cops 140K rounds

    30K or so fired by the training instructors and recruits. thal left about 120 rounds per officer. since the cops didn't have to pay for ammo at the range, its not like they were going to the other range (public) and buying their own ammo). The training instructor admitted they had to shoot 60 qualifiying rounds twice a year

    that is IT



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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    It amazes me people actually think putting guns in the hands of teachers is safer than removing the most dangerous guns from the populace.
    False dichotomy. We're never going to remove the most dangerous guns from the populace. (e.g. "it amazes me that people actually think putting airbags in cars is safer than outlawing cars altogether).

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    False dichotomy.
    Another person who doesn't properly understand the fallacies they quote. Always fun. Is there a fallacy for incorrectly citing a fallacy? There should be, at least when they cite a fallacy to win an argument.

    It's not a false dichotomy. I never said we have two options. What I said is I'm amazed how the same people who argue so strongly against bans on certain types of guns think putting guns in the hands of teachers (who are trained to educate, not handle an intruder situation) is a good idea. I never once said we only have two options, but rather noted my amazement at that mentality.

    On a side note, very few things are more annoying to me than people who try to claim fallacies when they don't even understand the fallacy they are citing.

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by BMCM View Post
    The solution to all these shootings is really very simple. On a child's 1st birthday the local, well regulated militia can hand deliver a brand new, shiny Glock with 5 fully loaded 30 round mags. On the child's 5th birthday they will receive a brand new AR-15. problem solved.
    But I don't like Glock.

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Another person who doesn't properly understand the fallacies they quote.
    No, it's not the fallacy I failed to understand, but your apparent difficulty with the English language. Forgive me for not being able to deduce that what you really meant in saying:

    It amazes me people actually think putting guns in the hands of teachers is safer than removing the most dangerous guns from the populace.
    was:

    I'm amazed how the same people who argue so strongly against bans on certain types of guns think putting guns in the hands of teachers (who are trained to educate, not handle an intruder situation) is a good idea.
    (why you think someone's opinion on banning certain types of guns is in any way relevant to whether allowing teachers to carry is a good idea - we'll have to leave to the imagination)
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