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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Link 4 isn't even about k-12. Link 5 is about colleges. And link 6 is actually about Oregon, and yes it says K-12.

    Not that any of this matters, because it will never catch on. As I stated, half of the country is full of idiots that don't want guns period on school grounds. I prefer to take something other than the most extreme position, and you would rather attack me than the other half of the country.
    It'd catch on REAL QUICK if the mass killers instead went after principals, office staff and school board members.

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Having a gun is not extreme.
    According to the brains of the average Americans, k-12 teachers being armed is one extreme of the debate. I simply would rather see something with a little more compromise that actually stands a chance of catching on mainstream instead of demanding, no compromises, that I get my way.
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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    According to the brains of the average Americans, k-12 teachers being armed is one extreme of the debate. I simply would rather see something with a little more compromise that actually stands a chance of catching on mainstream instead of demanding, no compromises, that I get my way.
    Compromise is my getting a permit and NICS before carrying. I have compromised enough, time to for the other side to meet me in the middle.

    I'm even willing to give a bit more...I'll only carry a hand gun, no rifle, and I'll keep it concealed even-though that's like telling a Black man not to do anything "black" or a woman not to appear feminine.
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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    There is a easy and low cost solution to this.
    Auxiliary police - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Licensed Police Officers are already allowed to carry guns on K-12 Schools.
    So you give Teachers who want to a $200 a month stipend to become Auxiliary Police.
    Five teachers scattered around even a large campus would provide a sufficient "unknown" factor,
    to prevent most School shootings, at an added cost of only $9000 per school per year.
    No laws have to change, The Teachers could even volunteer for free.

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    There is a easy and low cost solution to this.
    Auxiliary police - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Licensed Police Officers are already allowed to carry guns on K-12 Schools.
    So you give Teachers who want to a $200 a month stipend to become Auxiliary Police.
    Five teachers scattered around even a large campus would provide a sufficient "unknown" factor,
    to prevent most School shootings, at an added cost of only $9000 per school per year.
    No laws have to change, The Teachers could even volunteer for free.
    That is a great idea, but it wouldn't work everywhere. There are some areas, such as New York City, that don't allow their auxiliary police force to carry a gun. In NYC, they only carry a wooden baton.

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    How so? Having an armed presence in and around schools has prevented shootings from escalating in the past.

    Armed Guard Stops School Shooter After He Opened Fire at Atlanta Middle School

    It could also serve as an active deterrent against future attacks. The sort of disturbed and feckless coward who shoots up a school full of defenseless children isn't exactly the kind of person to willingly walk into a confrontation that they might potentially lose, after all.

    Besides, hiring a couple of rent-a-cops to stand guard is hardly going to break the bank. There is absolutely no logical reason to oppose the more moderate aspects of what the NRA is suggesting here, other than irrational anti-gun bias.



    I don't believe a presence on the whole does. We can Play it did here but not there, telling individual stories and pretend that such small sample sizes represent a whole, without any empirical evidence, but I don't see that as productive. It is really quite difficult to shoot someone and few can do it well in the heat of the moment.

    And as once happened to a partner of mine (one of those useless stories from too small a sample size), someone took it away from him. That would create a problem that didn't exist before.

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Armed guards are fine even though they
    don't guarantee anything considering that Columbine had armed guards on duty during that shooting. However, arming teachers is stupid for a multitude of reasons. Not only will some kid eventually end up accidentally getting shot, but teachers will have to be seriously trained and paid more and each district is going to have to buy weapons, bullets and whatever else comes with these new additions. It would also make schools targets for criminals looking for weapons as I suspect not every teacher would take their weapon home. It would also probably make teaching an even less appealing profession than it already is making less exceptional people apply for the job. Arming teachers is just a dumb idea and people who suggest it as a rule are short sighted.
    I agree. I would be afraid of a teacher shooting a student, or a kid getting some carless teacher's gun.

    Sometimes there are fights in high schools and teachers break up those fights. A teacher drawing a gun in that situation and aiming at the students would be ****ed up. Soldiers and police officers actually go through gun and situation training, and some of still improperly respond to situations and kill innocent people.


    I am do glad that I am not an educator.

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
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    have all been watching far too much Rambo and Under Siege. An averagely trained teacher wielding a fire arm, while under fire, is far more likely shoot a one of his students in the chaos of the event than "neutralize" an active shooter....

    Sorry, but the whole gun debate / NRA posturing on school safety is rapidly moving to the territory of absurdity. Reason was abandoned long ago.
    I agree. It would take rigorous training to take down an Adam Lanza. I know a trained officer or soldier has a much greater chance than somebody like me, and I don't think it's.reasonable to include target practice as part of every teachers yearly evaluation.

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I'm an atheist, so I take complete responsibility for my own protection. However, from what my parents believe, god allegedly doesn't want his followers to just be weak victims who don't defend themselves. He instead gives them the power and courage to do it.

    Church shootings have happened, and some were very, very bloodly. A church shooting at my parent's church wouldn't get very far, and more people would be able to come home to their families. That's all that matters.
    I assume you are referring to the passage in 2 Nosuchbokus 15: 3-6

    3. And the Lord stood before the Sandhedrin, the One subject to the will of the many 4. Knowing that man was blind to the prophesy of the Word and knowing that this would not end well for him 5. The Lord reached for his Glock 19 with a 30 round clip and rendered the wrath of the Father upon his adversaries 6. For whoever wants to save their life will save it, but whoever loses their life for me will lose it.

    Of course, the typical Bible commentary on this package talks about how Christ was an example to mankind that you had to take personal responsibility for your safety, even in a sacred place such at before the Sanhedrin.. that one had to appear strong lest you otherwise appear weak.

    Perhaps you have another such passage in mind that supports your assertion (I wouldn't look too hard). I know its a pretty hard for people to grasp the concept that mortal life isn't that important to Christians; its the eternal life that matters. There is nothing ungodly about going to reasonable measures to defend yourself and your family; but there is something very ungodly about being to infatuated with your mortal life and clinging to it at all cost. The idea of going to Church to worship God is about trust building and giving your life to God. Packing heat in the sanctuary is not trusting God. Matthew 16: 24-27 speaks to this...

    Church shootings do happen. So what?

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    Re: NRA unveils plan for armed guards in schools it says 'will save lives'

    The solution to all these shootings is really very simple. On a child's 1st birthday the local, well regulated militia can hand deliver a brand new, shiny Glock with 5 fully loaded 30 round mags. On the child's 5th birthday they will receive a brand new AR-15. problem solved.
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