the long winded nonsense is just that.
Coming from one who accused me of wanting more children to be murdered, I find you to be an incredibly poor judge of deciding what is nonsense.
how is the dynamic changed if a teacher is carrying concealed unless the teacher has to use the weapon
This has already been explained to you. But I will again shortly, and in expanded form next time.
I will be back tomorrow-see if you can actually answer that question
I already have. But I will again, because I have yet to be impressed with your ability to understand my past posts.
In a classroom, for learning to take place, a teacher needs to have a good relationship with the student. Whether it's a friendly relationship or simply a relationship of respect, the teacher needs the children to respect the teacher, for it's only then that learning can truly take place. I have a very good relationship with nearly all of my students, but I have a respectful relationship with all of them. We don't have to like each other, but we do have to understand our proper roles in the classroom. I'm there to dispense information and put the student in a position to learn the information. The student is there to participate in the activities and learn the information. This is based upon the respect we have for one another. It is a relationship of respect between two people.
When you introduce a gun, the dynamic changes. I have students who have had parents killed by guns (murder-suicide, for example). I had a student once whose mother put a shotgun in her mouth and pulled the trigger. One of my friends in high school was sitting on a couch when his stepfather fired his weapon and the bullet lodged in the wall barely six inches from my friend's ear. The mentality children have towards guns is different, but it's always cautious and for some children, based upon past experiences, outright fear. As someone who has been around guns yourself, I'm sure you understand what it means to be cautious around a gun, even if you don't understand being afraid of them.
So when the children know that one or many teachers are now carrying a gun, the dynamic in the class changes. Are the students behaving because of the respect which I discussed earlier, or are they behaving because they know there is a gun nearby? Are their actions the result of respect for me or fear from the gun? To give a similar example, if a police officer walked up to you and asked you to put on a pair of handcuffs because you were a suspect in a rape case, would you do it? Probably not, neither would I. We would likely be indignant and plead our innocence. But if the police officer drew their weapon and advanced upon you in an aggressive fashion, taking time only to throw handcuffs to you telling you to put them on, would you be more likely to do it? Of course you would, so would I.
So it goes in the classroom. The children need to know the teacher is treating them normally, and not with an inflated sense of self-worth, brought about by carrying a firearm. And a teacher needs to know the children are behaving due to the respectful relationship formed between teacher and student, and not because of a gun.
The gun changes the dynamic of the situation. It always will, because the gun possess an ability no human being posses...the ability to kill immediately, instantaneously and from a distance. The gun will always change the dynamic of the situation it is in, regardless of whether it is fired or not. Even the knowledge a gun might be present changes the dynamic. You can argue otherwise, but you would be wrong. Don't believe me? Take the advice gun supporters always give and walk down the bad streets of Chicago sometime, unarmed. My bet is the knowledge a gun might be present will have you on edge far more than when you're at your local shopping mall carrying your weapon.
A gun changes the dynamic. This is just one reason teachers should not be armed (and there are others). If you want to place police officers in the school, I'm okay with that, I'll probably support that. At which point you get your armed adults and I get my teachers without guns. We're both happy and the children are safe. Which is what we both want, is it not?
and you are the one who made "relationships" an issue and claim a concealed weapon would change that.
No, Jerry accused me of an incredibly disgusting and offensive thing, likely because he knew he had been bested.
And if you don't think a relationship exists between a teacher and a student, you're even less informed than I originally believed.
and I honestly believe that gun haters often love massacres that can be used to emotionally stir up the masses against gun ownership
And I honestly believe your statement is disgusting, because I find nothing worse than a child being murdered. The fact we disagree on how to protect them should never be a reason to suggest I want to see innocent people murdered. All such a statement does is show you to be a person I really hope I never have to meet.
The problem you and I are having here is we're making different assumptions about the situation before we even read eachother's posts. I'm picturing a compact or sub-compact pistol concealed-carried in the pant pocket, under a tucked shirt, in an ankle holster, or in a shoulder holster if the teacher is wearing, say, a sport jacket. How would the student even know you were armed in the first place for it to be an issue?
I'll give you one more chance, because your last two posts seemed to back off your incredibly offensive statements. I'll assume you feel somewhat apologetic for them. If not, let me know, and I'll go back to ignoring you again.
And kids know. Kids find out things in ways I couldn't even describe. Whether it's a teacher was a stripper before the child was even born, or whether a teacher has a homosexual partner or whether a teacher is carrying a firearm, children know. As to how they could know this? A slip of the jacket, a security exercise where the same teacher is always leaving the classroom, a parent of one of the children seeing the teacher at a shooting range or even the teacher himself telling people are all possibilities.
I mean, let's be honest, you never thought I had any credibility in the first place.
Untrue. I thought your position of arming teachers had no credibility. I didn't know you at all to judge your personal credibility.
I certainly never thought you had any.
Which amazes me, considering, to the best of my knowledge, only one of us teaches in a K-12 school.
Anti-gunners are wrong by default.
On the contrary, theoretically, anti-gunners are correct by default. It's human interactions which reduce their percentage of correctness. I'll make you this promise. If I could remove every gun from existence and prevent anymore from being created, no one would ever again be shot by a gun. Do you dispute this logic?
Now, is my theoretical realistic? Of course not. But you are wrong to say anti-gunners are wrong by default, because they are actually correct by default.
Being anti-gun is identical to being racist in every way.
It's not, actually. Race is not a choice. I didn't choose to be white anymore than my friend John chose to be black. You do, however, choose to own a gun. It's not the same thing.
You support gun-free zones, I oppose them. We aren't ever going to agree, or even agree to disagree, because that means allowing the other to exist, and I seek your termination; the termination of all gun free zones.
We may never agree, but you won't see me accusing you of wanting to give more people guns so they can gleefully kill more children.
We may not agree, but we can at least have a civil discussion.
I know I dismissed you, but I just have to comment on your inability to read and what that portends for the poor kids who expect you to teach them.
You quoted me. You should re-read that quote...maybe a couple of times.
I was talking about myself. I didn't say a single word about you asking me to apologize to you.
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I'm trying to decide if you really believe what you posted here, or if you are just trying to save face after being embarrassed by not remembering your own posts. I'm thinking it is probably the latter. Now why don't you run along and let us big people talk.
