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    Re: UN adopts pact to regulate multibillion-dollar global arms trade

    Hey look, the UN trying to flex some muscles and be relevant in today's world.

    Wow... it's like seeing a rare animal. A stupid and pathetic rare animal, but still... wow...

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    Re: UN adopts pact to regulate multibillion-dollar global arms trade

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    And those concerns are absolutely unwarranted as the UN doesn't have the power and authority to do this. The treaty, while not perfect, actually promotes many American values and is a good thing which we should all support.
    I am not a fan of the Useless Nations on ANY level. I never have been and never will be. I'm opposed to the very IDEA behind the creation of the organization. The fact that the UN has ANY power is too much in my mind. The UN will find almost as much success regulating the arms trade as it has solving the middle east peace issues.

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    Re: UN adopts pact to regulate multibillion-dollar global arms trade

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I am not a fan of the Useless Nations on ANY level. I never have been and never will be. I'm opposed to the very IDEA behind the creation of the organization. The fact that the UN has ANY power is too much in my mind. The UN will find almost as much success regulating the arms trade as it has solving the middle east peace issues.
    The United Nations actually does a lot of good around the world. I don't want a global government, at least not at this point. However, there needs to be a place for the nations of the world to have a forum to discuss the issues of the world. Collective security HAS been successful at maintaining the general peace. Furthermore, its specialized agencies have done a large amount of good around the world.
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    Re: UN adopts pact to regulate multibillion-dollar global arms trade

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    The United Nations actually does a lot of good around the world. I don't want a global government, at least not at this point. However, there needs to be a place for the nations of the world to have a forum to discuss the issues of the world. Collective security HAS been successful at maintaining the general peace. Furthermore, its specialized agencies have done a large amount of good around the world.
    That's fine for the rest of the world. There is no reason for the United States to be part of this organization. Just as there is no reason for us to have ANY contact with any other nation.

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    Re: UN adopts pact to regulate multibillion-dollar global arms trade

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    That's fine for the rest of the world. There is no reason for the United States to be part of this organization. Just as there is no reason for us to have ANY contact with any other nation.
    Haven't we already learned that isolationism is not an option?
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    Re: UN adopts pact to regulate multibillion-dollar global arms trade

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Haven't we already learned that isolationism is not an option?
    You may have learned a lesson to that effect, but I most certainly have not.

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    Re: UN adopts pact to regulate multibillion-dollar global arms trade

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    You may have learned a lesson to that effect, but I most certainly have not.
    You need a refresher course in 20th century history.
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    Re: UN adopts pact to regulate multibillion-dollar global arms trade

    The opinion of the American Bar Association on the Arms Trade Treaty is summed up by these three statements.

    A. The Second Amendment Does Not Apply to Most Weapons Addressed by the Arms Trade Treaty.

    B. The Second Amendment Does Not Apply to Exports.

    C. Import Restrictions are Constitutionally Valid.

    And reaches this conclusion -

    If the United States signs and ratifies the ATT, in its most recent iteration in the President’s text of 26 July 2012, the United States retains the discretion to regulate the flow of weapons into and out of the United States in a manner consistent with the Second Amendment.

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    Re: UN adopts pact to regulate multibillion-dollar global arms trade

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    UN adopts pact to regulate multibillion-dollar global arms trade | Fox News



    This is unlikely to be ratified by the US Senate since the Senate has already voted not to do so.

    The NRA sees the treaty as a threat to 2nd Amendment rights although treaties don't trump the Constitution. It's not clear to me how this treaty would be a hinderance to American gun owners.

    The NRA and gun owners are concerned with the sloppy way this particular piece of................................................ ............legislation is written. It leaves things too open to interpretation, too many loopholes, too many ambiguious phrases.

    Quite frankly in my opinion, the UN can go to hell.

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    Re: UN adopts pact to regulate multibillion-dollar global arms trade

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Hey look, the UN trying to flex some muscles and be relevant in today's world.

    Wow... it's like seeing a rare animal. A stupid and pathetic rare animal, but still... wow...
    Is there any particular part of the treaty you take issue with or is this just boilerplate "UN IS BAD"
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