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    Re: UN adopts pact to regulate multibillion-dollar global arms trade

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    This treaty will not get of the right of someone to have a weapon. It will try to regulate the global arms trade. The Constitution trumps all treaties and on top of that, you have the right to have a gun, but you don't have the right to sell that gun to a warlord.
    Which is messed up since some of them are really nice guys.

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    Re: UN adopts pact to regulate multibillion-dollar global arms trade

    I can see it if the UN were to make more clear some of the "small arms" language.
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    Re: UN adopts pact to regulate multibillion-dollar global arms trade

    I completly agree Top. I think the NRA has long since past were they are doing gun owner a service, to worrying about political clout and power. I was once a member and if they were not an organization and an ex girlfriend I could have got a restraining order for them they called me daily, sent tons of mail etc begging for money. The NRA has jumped the shark.
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    It doesn't. It's just another example of how the NRA is doing no gun owner any favors. Their obnoxious protests and stupid antics are going to eventually hurt my rights.
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    Re: UN adopts pact to regulate multibillion-dollar global arms trade

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    This treaty will not get of the right of someone to have a weapon. It will try to regulate the global arms trade. The Constitution trumps all treaties and on top of that, you have the right to have a gun, but you don't have the right to sell that gun to a warlord.
    As far as I know this treaty does not apply to non state actors (Hence Syria's objection*) and arguably it shouldn't as there are many places that would benefit from a rise in untraceable arms shipments (North Korea for one). We should be far more concerned about unchecked state power then we should about warlords.

    *Just to clarify Syria, (according to Al Jazeera) , said that they were all for an arms treaty but against one that did not apply to non-state actors. Which as someone else said may be all the more reason to support it.
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    Re: UN adopts pact to regulate multibillion-dollar global arms trade

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Ya, so let's get rid of our right to defend ourselves against those "terrorists and warlords". Since its not likely that they will disarm either way (except forcibly), so let's make sure that they have free reign. I mean gotta make sure that nobody except government can resist these evils.
    This treaty would not require you to give up your precious tank.

    Or guns, for that matter.
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    UN adopts pact to regulate multibillion-dollar global arms trade

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    This treaty would not require you to give up your precious tank.

    Or guns, for that matter.
    The UN believes that only states should have weapons... What this treaty does do is set up a framework for registration of weapons.

    Before you confiscate you must register, it's important to know what you are up against.

    Now, I don't have, or need, a tank... However, there are parts of the world where, perhaps, having a few tanks in your city might help to ward off some of those warlords you claim to want to stop.

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    Re: UN adopts pact to regulate multibillion-dollar global arms trade

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    The UN believes that only states should have weapons... What this treaty does do is set up a framework for registration of weapons.

    Before you confiscate you must register, it's important to know what you are up against.

    Now, I don't have, or need, a tank... However, there are parts of the world where, perhaps, having a few tanks in your city might help to ward off some of those warlords you claim to want to stop.

    Name such a city. One that is under such a threat and would be rendered unable to purchase military hardware under this treaty.
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    Re: UN adopts pact to regulate multibillion-dollar global arms trade

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    The greatest concern among the gun owners I talk with, including myself; is that this is a stepping stone. Right now the UN wants to track and verify all international arms shipments from dealers and manufacturers. How long is it until the UN decides it would just be easier to track every firearm manufactured worldwide from cradle to grave? At that point there become serious Constitutional infringement concerns and questions.
    And those concerns are absolutely unwarranted as the UN doesn't have the power and authority to do this. The treaty, while not perfect, actually promotes many American values and is a good thing which we should all support.
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    Re: UN adopts pact to regulate multibillion-dollar global arms trade

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    The UN believes that only states should have weapons... What this treaty does do is set up a framework for registration of weapons.

    Before you confiscate you must register, it's important to know what you are up against.

    Now, I don't have, or need, a tank... However, there are parts of the world where, perhaps, having a few tanks in your city might help to ward off some of those warlords you claim to want to stop.
    It does NOT set up a framework for domestic registration of weapons. Only for registration of weapons imported/exported. This has no impact at all on domestic gun laws on any Member State.
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    Re: UN adopts pact to regulate multibillion-dollar global arms trade

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I can see it if the UN were to make more clear some of the "small arms" language.
    It means exactly what you think it means, small arms not at all different from what you can privately own in the United States. The difference is the scope of what the treaty covers, it does not cover domestic sales of weapons. What it does it set standards for control of international arm sales, everything from battle tanks to the glock pistol at your local store gun when its imported to the United States, these standards are designed to prevent the sale or transfer of weapons to the kind of people none of us have weapons. The United States, already having seen the need to know what kind of weapons are imported into its borders and where they are going, is already in compliance with this treaty.

    What the treaty does then is give the United States and other nations a way to both act as an example to the rest of the world and to shame other nations who do not live up to the standards within the treaty. Its not a treaty that's going to radically change anything, after all we already do shame nations that allow weapons to fall into the hands of terrorist organizations for example.

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