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    Exxon cleans up Arkansas oil spill; Keystone plan assailed

    Exxon cleans up Arkansas oil spill; Keystone plan assailed | Reuters

    Exxon spokesman Alan Jeffers said on Sunday that crews had yet to excavate the area around the pipeline breach, a needed step before the company can estimate how long repairs will take and when the line might restart.


    "I can't speculate on when it will happen," Jeffers said. "Excavation is necessary as part of an investigation to determine the cause of the incident."

    Exxon's Pegasus pipeline, which can carry more than 90,000 barrels per day (bpd) of crude from Patoka, Illinois to Nederland, Texas, was shut after the leak was discovered late Friday afternoon in a subdivision near the town of Mayflower. The leak forced the evacuation of 22 homes.

    Exxon also had no specific estimate of how much crude oil had spilled, but the company said 12,000 barrels of oil and water had been recovered - up from 4,500 barrels on Saturday. The company did not say how much of the total was oil and how much was water.

    Exxon said it staged the response to handle 10,000 barrels of oil "to ensure adequate resources are in place."

    Officials from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency and the Department of Transportation's Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration (PHMSA) also were on site to investigate the spill.

    Fifteen vacuum trucks remained on the scene for cleanup, and 33 storage tanks were deployed to temporarily store the oil.

    The pipeline was carrying Canadian Wabasca Heavy crude at the time of the leak. An oil spill of more than 1,000 barrels into a Wisconsin field from an Enbridge Inc pipeline last summer kept that line shuttered for around 11 days.
    I feel really sorry for the people whose properties are now ruined by spilled crude.

    There is a post going around Facebook that was started by a local family which sheds more light on this:

    "Folks, this is a backyard picture of the Mayflower, AR oil spill on that Exxon pipeline. The local authorities have denied the press access to these areas so few have actually seen the extent of the spill. This picture was taken by a friend's daughter who lives next door to this house. Share this widely!"

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    This is really disgusting. How much more ecosystem has to be permanently trashed, and how many more people's lives must be ruined, before we start seriously investing in green energy? It's now affecting people's private properties too. Fracking is just as bad.

    It's dirty energy at high cost.

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    Re: Exxon cleans up Arkansas oil spill; Keystone plan assailed

    Not to mention the health hazards for these people and the fact Exxon will get money from Congress to clean it up. This is really what we want for our future generations? Toxic land, water, air?
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    Re: Exxon cleans up Arkansas oil spill; Keystone plan assailed

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    Not to mention the health hazards for these people and the fact Exxon will get money from Congress to clean it up. This is really what we want for our future generations? Toxic land, water, air?
    How will Exxon get money from Congress to fund the remediation work here? Explain please, in detail.

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    Re: Exxon cleans up Arkansas oil spill; Keystone plan assailed

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    How will Exxon get money from Congress to fund the remediation work here? Explain please, in detail.
    Congressional Democrats and the White House are toying with different ways to force BP to cover the costs of damages from the Gulf oil spill. But they face stiff opposition from industry…and it seems leading Republicans. In response to a question from TPMDC, House Minority Leader John Boehner said he believes taxpayers should help pick up the tab for the clean up.

    “I think the people responsible in the oil spill—BP and the federal government—should take full responsibility for what’s happening there,” Boehner said at his weekly press conference this morning.

    Boehner’s statement followed comments last Friday by US Chamber of Commerce CEO Tom Donohue who said he opposes efforts to stick BP, a member of the Chamber, with the bill. “It is generally not the practice of this country to change the laws after the game,” he said. “Everybody is going to contribute to this clean up. We are all going to have to do it. We are going to have to get the money from the government and from the companies and we will figure out a way to do that.”

    So today I asked Boehner, “Do you agree with Tom Donohue of the Chamber that the government and taxpayers should pitch in to clean up the oil spill?” The shorter answer is yes.
    It's from here

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    Boehner: Government—i.e. Taxpayers—Should Help Pay For Oil Spill


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    Just a gut feeling and a long line of historical evidence.
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    Re: Exxon cleans up Arkansas oil spill; Keystone plan assailed

    The obvious answer to this is drill baby drill and more pipelines! Get Keystone baby!


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    Re: Exxon cleans up Arkansas oil spill; Keystone plan assailed

    The truth is we are going to be tethered to oil for a good while into the future. But if oil companies cannot mitigate their damages, they should be nationalized on an individual, case-by-case basis.
    Be kind to everyone

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    Re: Exxon cleans up Arkansas oil spill; Keystone plan assailed

    Two points:

    1. Oil is going to be extracted from the ground and transported to refiners for the rest of my lifetime and I feel pretty safe in betting at least for the lifetimes of any poster on this site. Fact of life.

    2. Transporting oil by pipeline is less prone to accidents and safer than transporting oil by tanker truck, rail, or shipping it. Fact of life.

    Everything people do in life is subject to accidents and human error - hundreds of people die in accident carnage on the roads and highways of North America every day - I could post pic after pic after pic of these accidents and they'd rip at your heart, but there's no move to ban cars, nor should there be.

    By all means, push for improvements in safety and hold people/companies responsible when their actions harm others, but don't give me the foolish emotional reactions about ending the use of oil because of a spill and damage to the property/homes of 22 families. It's no different from those who would ban all guns from everyone because one mentally ill person uses one to kill some people.

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    Re: Exxon cleans up Arkansas oil spill; Keystone plan assailed

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
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    I feel really sorry for the people whose properties are now ruined by spilled crude.

    There is a post going around Facebook that was started by a local family which sheds more light on this:



    This is really disgusting. How much more ecosystem has to be permanently trashed, and how many more people's lives must be ruined, before we start seriously investing in green energy? It's now affecting people's private properties too. Fracking is just as bad.

    It's dirty energy at high cost.
    What type of green energy do you propose we replace oil with?

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    Re: Exxon cleans up Arkansas oil spill; Keystone plan assailed

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Two points:

    1. Oil is going to be extracted from the ground and transported to refiners for the rest of my lifetime and I feel pretty safe in betting at least for the lifetimes of any poster on this site. Fact of life.

    2. Transporting oil by pipeline is less prone to accidents and safer than transporting oil by tanker truck, rail, or shipping it. Fact of life.

    Everything people do in life is subject to accidents and human error - hundreds of people die in accident carnage on the roads and highways of North America every day - I could post pic after pic after pic of these accidents and they'd rip at your heart, but there's no move to ban cars, nor should there be.

    By all means, push for improvements in safety and hold people/companies responsible when their actions harm others, but don't give me the foolish emotional reactions about ending the use of oil because of a spill and damage to the property/homes of 22 families. It's no different from those who would ban all guns from everyone because one mentally ill person uses one to kill some people.
    Can you explain to me the one question I have with the keystone pipeline? My question is why the hell does it have to run to texas? Can't we make the refineries in a state on the Canadian border? If there is a technical reason I would love to hear it. If it is because texas bribed the most people to get the oil there I am pretty sure we can stop it at north Dakota.

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    Re: Exxon cleans up Arkansas oil spill; Keystone plan assailed

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Can you explain to me the one question I have with the keystone pipeline? My question is why the hell does it have to run to texas? Can't we make the refineries in a state on the Canadian border? If there is a technical reason I would love to hear it. If it is because texas bribed the most people to get the oil there I am pretty sure we can stop it at north Dakota.
    I can answer parts of the question, but you likely will not like the answer.
    #1 Because of Environmental regulation, very few new refineries have been built in the last 30 years.
    #2 The expertise to refine specialty oil, is already in Texas.
    #3 The infrastructure for the refined products, are already in Texas.
    #4 If it could be done easily up north, the Canadians would be doing it, and selling us refined product.

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