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    Re: Exxon cleans up Arkansas oil spill; Keystone plan assailed

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    You really don't understand at all. Fishing is all but halted and eating safe food from the gulf is not possible anymore because of the oil spills. That never happened before.

    And the pipelines are breaking in Canada and the Arkansas..and you can't back up that with any news information.
    https://blogs.fda.gov/fdavoice/?tag=gulf-seafood

    This week, the Fish and Wildlife Service will begin a series of public meetings on the draft plan for the restoration of damage to natural resources resulting from the Deepwater Horizon oil spill. It is natural that the discussion of this plan would also raise the question of whether Gulf seafood is safe to eat. The answer to that question is, yes. Gulf seafood is as safe to eat now as it was before the spill.
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    Re: Exxon cleans up Arkansas oil spill; Keystone plan assailed

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I think we're pretty much in agreement here except I would note that if you take away permits for doing business from companies that suffer accidents, you are not necessarily harming the business so much as you are the employees. I remember during the gulf oil spill and clean up, the Obama administration shut down drilling all over the gulf and caused a lot of unemployment in the industry as well as the movement of some of the drilling rigs from the gulf to other areas of the world thus killing the jobs of oil rig workers permanently, or for a long time. These people who rely on the business for a high paying and consistent living are harmed greatly through no fault of their own.

    Canada is now looking at sending oilsands crude east across Canada to refineries in Quebec and New Brunswick, both places that want the business. The plans would involved upgrading existing pipelines that are being used to ship refined oil west and reversing them to ship crude east. Upgrading the refineries is good for employment in those two areas of the country who have higher unemployment and is good long term too. We may end up piping oil east to these refineries and west to the coast for tankers shipping it to China and India. The Obama administration's game playing with this vital industry may end up harming America far more than Canada.
    I completely agree that the people who would suffer the most are the employees. I know a lot a guys who do that work, and they are by no means wealthy people. Average, middle class guys, making a living. My feeling though, is so are the people affected by this continueing trend of oil spills. I was looking at a list of oil spills worldwide, ranked by the amount of oil was spilled. The US holds the top two rankings of worst oil spills in history, but I will point out, one of them was in 1910 and we have come quite a long was since then. However, Canada, is down at 13th, with the Odyssey spill in 1988. Canada doesn't pop up again until number 65. What in the world are y'all doing up there that is preventing spills? lol I feel like there is something US is not doing, that they could be doing to solve this problem. I take issue with this whole, "Obama administration's game playing" narrative though. I think that is total and complete misrepresentation. Every release or statement on the subject I have read, stays increadibly clearly that the denial or delay of permits is due to inadequit safety and/or clean up procedures. That's not a game, that is a completely legit concern these days.
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    Re: Exxon cleans up Arkansas oil spill; Keystone plan assailed

    Quote Originally Posted by WWGWD View Post
    I completely agree that the people who would suffer the most are the employees. I know a lot a guys who do that work, and they are by no means wealthy people. Average, middle class guys, making a living. My feeling though, is so are the people affected by this continueing trend of oil spills. I was looking at a list of oil spills worldwide, ranked by the amount of oil was spilled. The US holds the top two rankings of worst oil spills in history, but I will point out, one of them was in 1910 and we have come quite a long was since then. However, Canada, is down at 13th, with the Odyssey spill in 1988. Canada doesn't pop up again until number 65. What in the world are y'all doing up there that is preventing spills? lol I feel like there is something US is not doing, that they could be doing to solve this problem. I take issue with this whole, "Obama administration's game playing" narrative though. I think that is total and complete misrepresentation. Every release or statement on the subject I have read, stays increadibly clearly that the denial or delay of permits is due to inadequit safety and/or clean up procedures. That's not a game, that is a completely legit concern these days.
    I don't think Canada is doing anything particularly different or unique that isn't happening in the US - it's probably a function of your country being 10 times the size of Canada and you're the largest economy in the world so you have the most oil transported in and out and around your country than anyone else and your pipeline infrastructure is probably a lot older than ours and has been used longer and more densely over time. It could also simply be a function of bad luck on your part and good luck on Canada's part.

    There's a lot more politics in the Keystone delay, entirely related to Obama's reelection prospects and the delay in getting the permits approved are far more a function of that than any environmental concerns.

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    Re: Exxon cleans up Arkansas oil spill; Keystone plan assailed

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    https://blogs.fda.gov/fdavoice/?tag=gulf-seafood



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    Your source is over a year old.

    Gulf Seafood Deformities Raise Questions Among Scientists And Fisherman (VIDEO)

    . . .

    Al Jazeera reports that both the government and BP maintain that Gulf seafood is safe. BP released a statement last week, saying, "Seafood from the Gulf of Mexico is among the most tested in the world, and according to the FDA and NOAA, it is as safe now as it was before the accident."

    A study published last October in the journal Environmental Health Perspectives found that the FDA allowed "up to 10,000 times too much contamination" and didn't identify the risks to children and pregnant women posed by contaminated seafood. Additionally, the study charged that the FDA's "scientific standards [in 2010] were less stringent" than after the Exxon Valdez spill, reported OnEarth.

    Government testing standards were questioned months after the spill. In December 2010, a toxicologist with a team challenging the FDA's seafood testing said, the "FDA simply overlooked an important aspect of safety in their protocol," reported MSNBC.

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    Re: Exxon cleans up Arkansas oil spill; Keystone plan assailed

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's a little doomsday'ish, don't you think??
    No, it's just Mayflower and the lake which are going down.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Exxon cleans up Arkansas oil spill; Keystone plan assailed

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I don't think Canada is doing anything particularly different or unique that isn't happening in the US - it's probably a function of your country being 10 times the size of Canada and you're the largest economy in the world so you have the most oil transported in and out and around your country than anyone else and your pipeline infrastructure is probably a lot older than ours and has been used longer and more densely over time. It could also simply be a function of bad luck on your part and good luck on Canada's part.

    There's a lot more politics in the Keystone delay, entirely related to Obama's reelection prospects and the delay in getting the permits approved are far more a function of that than any environmental concerns.

    Fair enough on the context of oil production. However, I think it's a total miss characterization of the President's view on the Keystone pipeline. Oil isn't going anywhere for a while, and pipelines are the safest way to transport oil, and I think the President's administration knows that. For me the National Transporation Safety Board desribed the oil industries flaws very straightforwardly in 2010, after an oil spill in Michigan;
    Pervasive organizational failures by a pipeline operator along with weak federal regulations led to a pipeline rupture and subsequent oil spill in 2010, the National Transportation Safety Board said today.
    Press Release July 10, 2012

    In regards to Keystone particularly, the State Department is who as has the authority to review permit application and has discression on the informatioon needed to approve or deny the application. Keystone hasn't been nixed, the State department just asked for more information, which was at the time, estimated to be complete during this first quarter. All conspiracy theories aside, that sounds like a pretty reasonable request to me. You can read the official statement if you want;

    Keystone XL Pipeline Project Review Process: Decision to Seek Additional Information
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    Re: Exxon cleans up Arkansas oil spill; Keystone plan assailed

    Initially, Exxon said that Lake Conway had been spared.
    Reports from people in the area said otherwise.
    Then Adam Randall shot aerial footage which showed that the local residents were correct and that Exxon was not.

    Now, there's a no-fly zone around the area.

    That stinks.

    Mayflower is getting ****ed. Her corrupt little bosshogs are helping it get ****ed.

    Even though I didn't even like Mayflower, it's still very sad.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Exxon cleans up Arkansas oil spill; Keystone plan assailed

    Quote Originally Posted by WWGWD View Post
    Fair enough on the context of oil production. However, I think it's a total miss characterization of the President's view on the Keystone pipeline. Oil isn't going anywhere for a while, and pipelines are the safest way to transport oil, and I think the President's administration knows that. For me the National Transporation Safety Board desribed the oil industries flaws very straightforwardly in 2010, after an oil spill in Michigan;
    Press Release July 10, 2012

    In regards to Keystone particularly, the State Department is who as has the authority to review permit application and has discression on the informatioon needed to approve or deny the application. Keystone hasn't been nixed, the State department just asked for more information, which was at the time, estimated to be complete during this first quarter. All conspiracy theories aside, that sounds like a pretty reasonable request to me. You can read the official statement if you want;

    Keystone XL Pipeline Project Review Process: Decision to Seek Additional Information
    I would say that the calculations of this administration are purely political. Keystone has been "being studied" for years, and years now....It is the MOST studied pipeline in the history of the US. There is NO reason for it not being approved at this point other than political BS.
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    Re: Exxon cleans up Arkansas oil spill; Keystone plan assailed

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I would say that the calculations of this administration are purely political. Keystone has been "being studied" for years, and years now....It is the MOST studied pipeline in the history of the US. There is NO reason for it not being approved at this point other than political BS.
    Except that they still don't have a legitimate clean up strategy for tar sands oil. The existing procedures for oil clean up are designed for crude oil and do not take into account the difference in the consistency difference and problem. All politics aside, that's a pretty import piece to be missing.
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    Re: Exxon cleans up Arkansas oil spill; Keystone plan assailed

    Quote Originally Posted by WWGWD View Post
    Except that they still don't have a legitimate clean up strategy for tar sands oil. The existing procedures for oil clean up are designed for crude oil and do not take into account the difference in the consistency difference and problem. All politics aside, that's a pretty import piece to be missing.
    The API gravity on the heaviest Canadian crude is 19-20. Certain South American crudes are in the same gravity range and have been moved through US pipelines for years. LOOP's minimum operating API requirement is >20. The oil industry is no stranger to these crude consistencies. 20 API crude is still a liquid, much like pancake syrup. Unless there are other hazards besides consistency, the clean up of canadian crude will be the same as other crudes.


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