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    Re: Exxon cleans up Arkansas oil spill; Keystone plan assailed

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    When an oil and gas company screws up, you're calling for their heads. When a railroad company screws up, you're hiding among the crickets. Why is that?

    A train derailment in Minnesota spilled 30,000 gallons of oil and no one is screaming for railroad heads on a plate. Is it because the outrage has more to do with the hatred for oil companies, in general? Is it because railroads are the more PC industry among the treehuggers now days? Is it because railroads are unionized and unions don't exist in the oil and gas industry?
    Seems like you are trying to change the subject and distract from the actual subject of the discussion, but I'll go with it. I completely agree with you that spills by train are as concerning as pipeline leaks, and rig spills. However, it all comes back to the energy companies commissioning these things. They are all connected, because when it comes right down to it, the energy companies are responsible for the damage the transportation of their product causes. It's all of concern and the penalties for these types of accidents are not substantial enough for companies to change the way they do business. That is a problem.

    I'm not calling for anyone's head. The modern world requires oil to function, as of right now. Yet, just because we require it, doesn't give companies a free pass to pay a fine and go back to business as usual. If the system of inspection, regulation, enforcement and penalties is failing, then their needs to be a significant push to fix it. That push could be made, by threatening a revokation of permits if safety procedured aren't improved. It has nothing to do with being PC, defense of unions, or hatred of oil companies. It has to do with ensuring that this industry does what it does as safely as humanly possible. As of right now, their is no motivation to improve existing safety concerns.
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    Re: Exxon cleans up Arkansas oil spill; Keystone plan assailed

    Quote Originally Posted by WWGWD View Post
    Seems like you are trying to change the subject and distract from the actual subject of the discussion, but I'll go with it. I completely agree with you that spills by train are as concerning as pipeline leaks, and rig spills. However, it all comes back to the energy companies commissioning these things. They are all connected, because when it comes right down to it, the energy companies are responsible for the damage the transportation of their product causes. It's all of concern and the penalties for these types of accidents are not substantial enough for companies to change the way they do business. That is a problem.

    I'm not calling for anyone's head. The modern world requires oil to function, as of right now. Yet, just because we require it, doesn't give companies a free pass to pay a fine and go back to business as usual. If the system of inspection, regulation, enforcement and penalties is failing, then their needs to be a significant push to fix it. That push could be made, by threatening a revokation of permits if safety procedured aren't improved. It has nothing to do with being PC, defense of unions, or hatred of oil companies. It has to do with ensuring that this industry does what it does as safely as humanly possible. As of right now, their is no motivation to improve existing safety concerns.
    So, a train derailment is STILL the oil company's fault? You know how you sound right now. Right?
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    Re: Exxon cleans up Arkansas oil spill; Keystone plan assailed

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Well, if government regulators aren't enforcing government regulations, they're as much at fault as anyone else. It's called, "corruption".

    Are you one of the folks that swears up-n-down that Bush knowingly lied about WMD's in Iraq? Because, if you are...
    What does Bush have to do with this thread? Please confine yourself to one piece of BS at a time!

    You do know that by your ****ed up logic, if a criminal commits a crime the police should be held responsible for not catching them. How crazy is this?

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    Re: Exxon cleans up Arkansas oil spill; Keystone plan assailed

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    What does Bush have to do with this thread? Please confine yourself to one piece of BS at a time!
    Just checking for consistancy.

    What I find to be incredibly funny, is that no matter who's at fault, the oil companies will always be at fault.

    Kinda like that old ryhme:

    "I don't drive the train and I don't ring the bell, but let this son-of-a-bitch jump the track and see who catches hell".
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    Re: Exxon cleans up Arkansas oil spill; Keystone plan assailed

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, a train derailment is STILL the oil company's fault? You know how you sound right now. Right?
    No, of course a derailment is not the fault of the oil company, that is idiotic. The inability to keep the oil contained, and effectively clean up what does get spilled is the oil companies responsibility. A responsibility they have a track record of not regularly updating or improving.

    Why do you consistently focus on berating and ridiculing people who don't agree with you? I have had no problem pointing out the things I agree with you on, yet you continue to try and invalidate or misinterpret everything I say. Do you have any interestest in a conversation or do you just want to make you point and ignore everything else? Either way is fine, I'm just curious as to your intention with this discussion.
    "....The people can not be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty...." -Jefferson 1787

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    Re: Exxon cleans up Arkansas oil spill; Keystone plan assailed

    Quote Originally Posted by WWGWD View Post
    No, of course a derailment is not the fault of the oil company, that is idiotic. The inability to keep the oil contained, and effectively clean up what does get spilled is the oil companies responsibility. A responsibility they have a track record of not regularly updating or improving.

    Why do you consistently focus on berating and ridiculing people who don't agree with you? I have had no problem pointing out the things I agree with you on, yet you continue to try and invalidate or misinterpret everything I say. Do you have any interestest in a conversation or do you just want to make you point and ignore everything else? Either way is fine, I'm just curious as to your intention with this discussion.
    The oil companies didn't build the train car, either. That's all on the train car manufacturer and the railroad operator; so is the clean up.

    Funny how there wasn't a thread screaming about RR companies having to pay out the ass for spills during derailments. Even now, blame is being vigorously shifted away from the RR company and the rail car manufacturer.
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    Re: Exxon cleans up Arkansas oil spill; Keystone plan assailed

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Just checking for consistancy.
    That's a Texas size lie! You are attempting to deflect the conversation, typical.

    What I find to be incredibly funny, is that no matter who's at fault, the oil companies will always be at fault.
    Where did I say this?

    Again an attempt to deflect.

    Are you able to tell the truth and stop lying. I'm ashamed to call you a fellow Texan.

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    Re: Exxon cleans up Arkansas oil spill; Keystone plan assailed

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    That's a Texas size lie! You are attempting to deflect the conversation, typical.



    Where did I say this?

    Again an attempt to deflect.

    Are you able to tell the truth and stop lying. I'm ashamed to call you a fellow Texan.
    I'm not a Texican. I just live here.
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    Re: Exxon cleans up Arkansas oil spill; Keystone plan assailed

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I'm not a Texican. I just live here.
    That's OK, you're welcome to stay, just don't embarrass the rest of us.

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    Re: Exxon cleans up Arkansas oil spill; Keystone plan assailed

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    That's OK, you're welcome to stay, just don't embarrass the rest of us.
    I seem to meet more Texicans that think like me than like you. Not sure which one of us is the bigger embarressment.

    I haven't met a single Libbo in Kerrville and I know damn near everybody, by now.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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