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    Re: Exxon cleans up Arkansas oil spill; Keystone plan assailed

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    It's from here



    Just a gut feeling and a long line of historical evidence.
    You don't believe that the government has a responsibility to the "general welfare" of the country?
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    Re: Exxon cleans up Arkansas oil spill; Keystone plan assailed

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Two points:

    1. Oil is going to be extracted from the ground and transported to refiners for the rest of my lifetime and I feel pretty safe in betting at least for the lifetimes of any poster on this site. Fact of life.

    2. Transporting oil by pipeline is less prone to accidents and safer than transporting oil by tanker truck, rail, or shipping it. Fact of life.

    Everything people do in life is subject to accidents and human error - hundreds of people die in accident carnage on the roads and highways of North America every day - I could post pic after pic after pic of these accidents and they'd rip at your heart, but there's no move to ban cars, nor should there be.

    By all means, push for improvements in safety and hold people/companies responsible when their actions harm others, but don't give me the foolish emotional reactions about ending the use of oil because of a spill and damage to the property/homes of 22 families. It's no different from those who would ban all guns from everyone because one mentally ill person uses one to kill some people.
    I'm curious on this one, and first of, your points are entirely valid. However, we have a history in the country of making sure that we learn from accidents and to the best of our ability, try to prevent them in the future. Yet, when it comes to the oil industry, we don't do that. The same exact clean up procedures used to clean up of the Exxon Valdez were used to clean up the spill in the gulf, and neither were executed very effectively. This pipeline, the Pegasus pipeline, was the subject of a fine that Exxon received for not inspecting a stretch of the pipe for 5 years. Exxon had another pipe rupture in 2011, that spilled oil into the yellowstone river, which resulted in the another fine for safety violations.

    My point here, is that if the largest publicly traded oil company, keeps violating safety procedures, and keeps having issues with spills, isn't about time we say, you can't keep drilling until you don't have a plan to keep it as safe as possible?
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    Re: Exxon cleans up Arkansas oil spill; Keystone plan assailed

    Quote Originally Posted by WWGWD View Post
    I'm curious on this one, and first of, your points are entirely valid. However, we have a history in the country of making sure that we learn from accidents and to the best of our ability, try to prevent them in the future. Yet, when it comes to the oil industry, we don't do that. The same exact clean up procedures used to clean up of the Exxon Valdez were used to clean up the spill in the gulf, and neither were executed very effectively. This pipeline, the Pegasus pipeline, was the subject of a fine that Exxon received for not inspecting a stretch of the pipe for 5 years. Exxon had another pipe rupture in 2011, that spilled oil into the yellowstone river, which resulted in the another fine for safety violations.

    My point here, is that if the largest publicly traded oil company, keeps violating safety procedures, and keeps having issues with spills, isn't about time we say, you can't keep drilling until you don't have a plan to keep it as safe as possible?
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    Re: Exxon cleans up Arkansas oil spill; Keystone plan assailed

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Doesn't you gas, food, goods cost you enough? I already don't have enough money to go to the movies.
    Not more then it will cost my children if this trend of oil spills continues. I'm less concerned about the immediate cost of goods, and more concerned about the long term damage these spills are and could be causing on the land around us. I'm not about throwing the baby out with the bath water, I'm not saying we stop drilling forever. It's a neccessary evil until a truly viable alternative energy can be integrated into the existing system. However, obviously, we aren't making the ramifications for these types of safety violations painful enough for these companies. I'm mean, the clean up protacal for the gulf, was exactly the same as in the 70's, and that still isn't changing. That's a problem for me. Especially, when companies continue to receive safety violation fines, with no changes having to be made. If it takes a temporary shut of the oil fields, to make sure they know the American people are tired of paying the price for their f***k ups, I'll get a bike, and support that decision.
    "....The people can not be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty...." -Jefferson 1787

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    Re: Exxon cleans up Arkansas oil spill; Keystone plan assailed

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You know where that oil originated. Right?
    What does that have to do with the discussion? Our imaginary borders make no difference to the impact of oil. This is one continent. An oil spill in Arkansas will affect the environment in far reaching aspects, especially once that oil reaches the waterways.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst
    The eco-nazis in Canada have made it impossible to build new refineries, hence--as you pointed out--if it was that simple, the Canadians would already be doing it.
    That's a complete and outright lie and you should be ashamed. Both eastern and western Canada have petitioned the Federal government for domestic refineries, but the Federal government is too concerned about its relationship with America to do that. They would rather transport the raw crude to the U.S. or China, and let your countrymen refine it, for the sake of your jobs. This is about what the U.S. wants and it always has been. Canada extracts the dirty oil and suffers the environmental consequences, while the U.S. gets to employ its own to refine it, and then jack up the price so that oil industries can profit obscenely.

    Secondly, the tar sands in Alberta are affecting everyone there. It's not a partisan issue. In the last Alberta election, Conservative constituents were asking the candidates how they intend to preserve Alberta's natural ecosystem while still maintaining the oil economy. Everyone is worried. In the beginning it was more partisan, but now that the harmful changes are so obvious, even Conservatives are beginning to wonder:



    You're a partisan hack and a malicious spinster.

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    Re: Exxon cleans up Arkansas oil spill; Keystone plan assailed

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    What does that have to do with the discussion? Our imaginary borders make no difference to the impact of oil. This is one continent. An oil spill in Arkansas will affect the environment in far reaching aspects, especially once that oil reaches the waterways.
    Oil comes out of the GROUND. If it was so detrimental tonature, we would have be screwed a million years ago, or so. Oil is organic; it breaks down; it goes away. Basically, the land isn't ruined as you would like for the more uninformed to believe.



    That's a complete and outright lie and you should be ashamed. Both eastern and western Canada have petitioned the Federal government for domestic refineries, but the Federal government is too concerned about its relationship with America to do that. They would rather transport the raw crude to the U.S. or China, and let your countrymen refine it, for the sake of your jobs. This is about what the U.S. wants and it always has been. Canada extracts the dirty oil and suffers the environmental consequences, while the U.S. gets to employ its own to refine it, and then jack up the price so that oil industries can profit obscenely.

    Secondly, the tar sands in Alberta are affecting everyone there. It's not a partisan issue. In the last Alberta election, Conservative constituents were asking the candidates how they intend to preserve Alberta's natural ecosystem while still maintaining the oil economy. Everyone is worried. In the beginning it was more partisan, but now that the harmful changes are so obvious, even Conservatives are beginning to wonder:


    And I'm sure the eco-nazis are tickled pink that the government won't approve any new refineries.

    You're a partisan hack and a malicious spinster.
    I'm not the one claiming that sky just fell, because some oil leaked out on the ground...where it come from, to begin with.
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    Re: Exxon cleans up Arkansas oil spill; Keystone plan assailed

    Quote Originally Posted by WWGWD View Post
    Not more then it will cost my children if this trend of oil spills continues. I'm less concerned about the immediate cost of goods, and more concerned about the long term damage these spills are and could be causing on the land around us. I'm not about throwing the baby out with the bath water, I'm not saying we stop drilling forever. It's a neccessary evil until a truly viable alternative energy can be integrated into the existing system. However, obviously, we aren't making the ramifications for these types of safety violations painful enough for these companies. I'm mean, the clean up protacal for the gulf, was exactly the same as in the 70's, and that still isn't changing. That's a problem for me. Especially, when companies continue to receive safety violation fines, with no changes having to be made. If it takes a temporary shut of the oil fields, to make sure they know the American people are tired of paying the price for their f***k ups, I'll get a bike, and support that decision.
    Crushing America's economy is going to accomplish what, exactly?
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    Re: Exxon cleans up Arkansas oil spill; Keystone plan assailed

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Crushing America's economy is going to accomplish what, exactly?
    Seriously? You think the oil companies would let that happen? lol If the government says, you have 6 months to get you safety s**t together, or we are revoking your permit, the oil industry would make it happen before that 6 months is up.
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    Re: Exxon cleans up Arkansas oil spill; Keystone plan assailed

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Can you explain to me the one question I have with the keystone pipeline? My question is why the hell does it have to run to texas? Can't we make the refineries in a state on the Canadian border?
    That would not eliminate the need for pipelines.

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    Re: Exxon cleans up Arkansas oil spill; Keystone plan assailed

    Quote Originally Posted by WWGWD View Post
    Seriously? You think the oil companies would let that happen? lol If the government says, you have 6 months to get you safety s**t together, or we are revoking your permit, the oil industry would make it happen before that 6 months is up.
    That's not what you just said.
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