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Texas DA, wife killed -- 2 months after his deputy is gunned down [W:627]

Catawba said:
Proof of what, I made several points.



Criminals can walk into a gun show in 40 states and buy guns for cash, no questions asked.



Why do you think you don't have to have a tank to protect yourself from others with a tank?




It was reported the killer used an AR-15 and that there were a lot of 223 spent cartridges and dead bodies. And the DA and his wife, had stated they were staying well armed and on ready.
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were the DA and his wife awake and "on the ready" at the time of the attack?

edit: the news reports states that they were "getting ready for bed", and there was no sign of forced entry,..... not sure how they determined they were "getting ready for bed"... but that the story they are running with.


in any event, I wonder if the anti-gun brigade is going to continue on with the narrative that home invasions don't really happen...... of course they are, facts and reality have not been shown ot be a factor in their thinking.
 
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calamity said:
In short, because AB is a gang of only straight white males who argue whites are supreme in an environment where whites are a small minority, it's automagically RW. Ignored is the fact that the gang originated and mostly operates in the prison system. Some people can't seem to get that what goes on in a prison environment does not apply on Real Life outside those walls.
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I agree. I've never thought of criminal enterprises as being "political" so to speak. I kind of always thought that the majority of gang members and criminals are more apolitical. And I if they were to be described in such a manner, I would see them as being on the very extreme fringes of the right wing.
 
Catawba said:
No wonder you views have no basis in reality, all your sources are conservative/libertarian.
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That has nothing to do with the validity of the study. It was an intensive and large study conducted with a couple of decades worth of data. You can not like the source all you want, but that does not negate the data contained within the study and the conclusions of that study. :shrug:
 
sangha said:
Curious, isn't it?
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I think what is curious is that you can't answer a simple question. Here you go, I'll ask again. HOW do YOU know the motive behind the crime? I don't believe you have answered that question anywhere in the thread.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
But...but.....SHE READ THE THREAD!!!

It is odd that someone who read the thread....would need a "summary"
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I perused the thread, read some posts, read the OP. That's what I meant. Did you actually think I meant that I read every single post in this thread?

Sometimes I feel like I'm trying to communicate with a computer. If you're familiar with programming, you'll know what I mean. :roll:
 
nota bene said:
Notice the reluctance to summarize for those who came into the thread later? A simple restatement would cost only a sentence or so, and yet you're being told to read up. Odd that it's so difficult to simply restate one's position.
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Yes, it's completely ridiculous. I guess they cannot explain their positions. :shrug: I also looked back at some of the posts, and I have yet to find any kind of "evidence" so to speak.
 
ChrisL said:
I agree. I've never thought of criminal enterprises as being "political" so to speak. I kind of always thought that the majority of gang members and criminals are more apolitical. And I if they were to be described in such a manner, I would see them as being on the very extreme fringes of the right wing.
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Exactly. The Aryan Brotherhood prison gang may adhere to the extreme "Right" ideology of white supremacism, but they are as apolitical as an American citizen can possibly be since convicted felons in prison can't vote. Trying to paint them as a political organization is just silly.
 
calamity said:
Exactly. The Aryan Brotherhood prison gang may adhere to the extreme "Right" ideology of white supremacism, but they are as apolitical as an American citizen can possibly be since convicted felons in prison can't vote. Trying to paint them as a political organization is just silly.
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I never did, neither did Sangha, and your continuing game of putting words into my mouth with these straw arguments shows just how dishonest your debate methods continue to be.
 
calamity said:
This link is not even germane to the conversation.
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You did not read it, since it again lays out the definitions of RWA's, definitions already agreed to as the baseline.

This is again more dishonest discussion.

You debate method has now become backtracking away from previous agreement, denying and ignoring baseline definitions.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
You did not read it, since it again lays out the definitions of RWA's, definitions already agreed to as the baseline.

This is again more dishonest discussion.
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I said pages ago that North Korea is authoritarian. Why are you not calling them Right Wing?


Because the theory that authoritarian = RW is crap.
 
calamity said:
I said pages ago that North Korea is authoritarian. Why are you not calling them Right Wing?


Because the theory that authoritarian = RW is crap.
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I was not discussing North Korea, at all. This is just more dishonest discussion. You refuse to gain any understanding of the definitions presented.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
I never did, neither did Sangha, and your continuing game of putting words into my mouth with these straw arguments shows just how dishonest your debate methods continue to be.
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Good. Then we agree they are not a political Right Wing org, but rather simply a Far Right prison gang.


BTW: Latest news states no one is even sure the AB did the deed. They now look to the Mexican Drug Cartels as possible suspects.
 
calamity said:
Good. Then we agree they are not a political Right Wing org, but rather simply a Far Right prison gang.
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You just continue to play semantic games since that is all you have. The AB is a rw terrorist group, I have been consistent with that, you have been inconsistent thoughout this debate. You agree to the definition, then you flip-flop back again, hence the need for a score card.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
You just continue to play semantic games since that is all you have. The AB is a rw terrorist group, I have been consistent with that, you have been inconsistent thoughout this debate. You agree to the definition, then you flip-flop back again, hence the need for a score card.
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Not at all. You are arguing with me over nothing if you agree that the AB has nothing in common with the Tea Party and Koch Bros. If you are equating them, then we disagree. I agreed a long time ago that the AB was Far Right. My complaint was against whomever it was that tried to politicize the group.
 
calamity said:
Not at all. You are arguing with me over nothing if you agree that the AB has nothing in common with the Tea Party and Koch Bros. If you are equating them, then we disagree. I agreed a long time ago that the AB was Far Right. My complaint was against whomever it was that tried to politicize the group.
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Your black and white, all or nothing arguments have no basis in the real world. There is nothing in human actions that is totally completely one thing or another. You apparently still cannot accept that a person or organization can fall within a political spectrum and you cannot use language that defines broadly but fairly accurately what that position is.

What we have here is a failure to communicate.....and understand the concepts involved. We also have a lot of gaming, intentionally to avoid reason.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Your black and white, all or nothing arguments have no basis in the real world. There is nothing in human actions that is totally completely one thing or another. You apparently still cannot accept that a person or organization can fall within a political spectrum and you cannot use language that defines broadly but fairly accurately what that position is.

What we have here is a failure to communicate.....and understand the concepts involved. We also have a lot of gaming, intentionally to avoid reason.
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Hey, you're the one who thinks a criminal prison gang needs to be politicized, labeled Right or Left. Sounds to me like you are the unreasonable one here.
 
calamity said:
Hey, you're the one who thinks a criminal prison gang needs to be politicized, labeled Right or Left. Sounds to me like you are the unreasonable one here.
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Needs to be?...no. Can be, yes.

Again, you have so many absolutes.....and I'm the unreasonable one.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Needs to be?...no. Can be, yes.

Again, you have so many absolutes.....and I'm the unreasonable one.
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IIRC, I stated pages ago that the AB can, without a doubt, be called Far Right. My gripes were the mischaraterizations: trying to equate it to the Tea Nuts and other legitimate organizations, and not recognizing that the the AB was first and foremost a criminal entity whose membership was mostly composed of people seeking protection not political identity.

I think you seem to be arguing the AB is first and Foremost RW, its membership all identifying with "the cause". This is where we disagree.
 
Here's a good article showing how these racist AB a-holes morphed from RW hate group into Mafia style gansters?

BBC News - Aryan Brotherhood of Texas: How did neo-Nazi prison gangs become so powerful?
The Anti-Defamation League (ADL), which monitors hate in the US, describes the ABT as "the most violent extremist group in the United States". It says the gang, thought to have around 2,000 members, has committed "at least" 29 murders in the US between 2000-12.

Its primary objective has moved beyond conducting turf wars inside jails or propagating racist ideology, however, into running a ruthless Mafia-style organised crime network...

"If you look at domestic extremist groups in the US, they are responsible for more homicides than anyone else, although most are crime-related, to do with insubordination or revenge or against those who owe them money," says Brian Levin, director of California State University's Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism.

Of the confirmed ABT murders from 2000-12, the ADL estimates that 41% were "internal killings".
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And after all the jumping to conclusions and rush to make this about race and racists...turns out the killer was a pudgy disgruntled court clerk with no affiliation to any 'hate groups'.

On the plus side...when homey goes to prison, he is going to get a chance to get acquainted with those hate groups. Up close and VERY personal. I'm sure they LOVED the attention and scrutiny he gave them.
 
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