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Texas DA, wife killed -- 2 months after his deputy is gunned down [W:627]

Catawba said:
You can't fathom the distinction between guns for hunting by law abiding citizens and weapons designed for the military sold to criminals and the mentally deranged with no questions asked, can you?
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I know far too much about firearms to find a substantial distinction between those particular firearms.
the whole "designed for the military" bull**** is just that.. bull****... my 1861 Whitworth was designed for the military


..... also,I'm not a retard who believes people won't get their hands on guns when and if they want them... prohibition doesn't work.. that's a time tested fact.... only idiots keep barking up that tree.

keep thinking within the little box and you'll continue to fail to bring about the changes you want.




The 3 times your gun has thwarted someone trying to do harm to you doesn't negate ten other people killed unnecessarily by guns.
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10 dead people doesn't negate me being saved 3 times by my gun.....
 
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Thrilla said:
I know far too much about firearms to find a substantial distinction between those particular firearms.
the whole "designed for the military" bull**** is just that.. bull****... my 1861 Whitworth was designed for the military


..... also,I'm not a retard who believes people won't get their hands on guns when and if they want them... prohibition doesn't work.. that's a time tested fact.... only idiots keep barking up that tree.

keep thinking within the little box and you'll continue to fail to bring about the changes you want.
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"The semi-automatic weapon found at the site where Adam Lanza shot to death 20 children and six adults, for example, is a variant of a type of gun developed for troops during Vietnam.

"It is one of a variety of assault rifles that militaries of the world developed," Tom Diaz, a policy analyst for the Violence Policy Center, tells Fresh Air's Terry Gross, "when they realized that most soldiers do not, when they're engaged in combat ... take accurate aim, do not fire at long distances, but rather just spray bullets in the general direction of the enemy at short to medium range. ... oldiers are not marksmen, and they tend to just fire in bursts at ambiguous targets and, in fact, most battlefield injuries are the result of just being where the bullet is and not someone actually aiming at you."

Assault-Style Weapons In The Civilian Market : NPR



10 dead people doesn't negate me being saved 3 times by my gun.....
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That will ultimately be decided by voters.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
A majority of what?


If they hold to RW ideology, yes, Virginia, they are RW. If they are going against their own constitution, then they are not going to be a part of their organization.

And again, the two are not mutually exclusive. We already went over this.

You just keep worming away from your admission.
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The only worming here is you trying to shoehorn your Left/Right nonsense into a prison situation. Saying the AB is a part of the political Right is crap.

I have zero motivation to defend the Political Right. But, that doesn't mean I'll ignore your attempt to call green blue. They are a prison gang. That fact alone puts them outside the Left Right paradigm.

If you can name me a single Left Wing prison gang, I'll rethink my position. Otherwise, my point that Left-Right does not exist inside prison walls holds.
 
ChrisL said:
OMG! Call the cops! :lamo Just tell me how you know the motive of these criminals and stop whining please.
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In short, because AB is a gang of only straight white males who argue whites are supreme in an environment where whites are a small minority, it's automagically RW. Ignored is the fact that the gang originated and mostly operates in the prison system. Some people can't seem to get that what goes on in a prison environment does not apply on Real Life outside those walls.
 
sangha said:
Asked and answered
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Your arguments trying to pin the RW label on the AB is basically no different than pinning the Gay tag on guys who have sex inside prison.
 
Catawba said:
"The semi-automatic weapon found at the site where Adam Lanza shot to death 20 children and six adults, for example, is a variant of a type of gun developed for troops during Vietnam.

"It is one of a variety of assault rifles that militaries of the world developed," Tom Diaz, a policy analyst for the Violence Policy Center, tells Fresh Air's Terry Gross, "when they realized that most soldiers do not, when they're engaged in combat ... take accurate aim, do not fire at long distances, but rather just spray bullets in the general direction of the enemy at short to medium range. ... oldiers are not marksmen, and they tend to just fire in bursts at ambiguous targets and, in fact, most battlefield injuries are the result of just being where the bullet is and not someone actually aiming at you."

Assault-Style Weapons In The Civilian Market : NPR





That will ultimately be decided by voters.
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more appeals to the masses. Most sporting firearms have some ancestory traceable to the military. Using the term "assault weapon" is silly because the military definition of assault requires fully automatic weapons. None of the things your side whines about are fully automatic and thus cannot possibly be "assault weapons" which is a military term of art (and has nothing to do with the scary criminal assaults the ARC wants people to fear when answering polls)

we do not know what weapon was used to kill the DA and to claim that he was less safe because he was armed is just silly. And under even the most ARC desired gun bans the chief Law enforcement officer for a county will be able to be armed.

so trying to make his death a gun control dream is just plain silly
 
calamity said:
The only worming here is you trying to shoehorn your Left/Right nonsense into a prison situation. Saying the AB is a part of the political Right is crap.
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You said it yourself.

I have zero motivation to defend the Political Right. But, that doesn't mean I'll ignore your attempt to call green blue. They are a prison gang. That fact alone puts them outside the Left Right paradigm.
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Again, the false mutually exclusive argument.

If you can name me a single Left Wing prison gang, I'll rethink my position. Otherwise, my point that Left-Right does not exist inside prison walls holds.
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The existence of the AB constitution, which lays out their RWA principles, is not dependent upon me doing anything.
 
calamity said:
Your arguments trying to pin the RW label on the AB is basically no different than pinning the Gay tag on guys who have sex inside prison.
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Straw, with a non-sequitur. Besides, you already said they are a RW group.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
You said it yourself.
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No I didn't. There is no Left Wing in prison. Ergo all gangs in Prison are polar opposites of Left Wing...it's meaningless in that context.

Again, the false mutually exclusive argument.
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A prison gang is almost by definition non-political.

The existence of the AB constitution, which lays out their RWA principles, is not dependent upon me doing anything.
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The AB constitution is not exactly proof that they are Right Wing. It's some BS treehouse oath. WTF?
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Straw, with a non-sequitur. Besides, you already said they are a RW group.
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Wrong. You just failed to see what I wrote outside of your Left/Right paradigm.
 
calamity said:
No I didn't. There is no Left Wing in prison. Ergo all gangs in Prison are polar opposites of Left Wing...it's meaningless in that context.


A prison gang is almost by definition non-political.


The AB constitution is not exactly proof that they are Right Wing. It's some BS treehouse oath. WTF?
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It is completely fine with me that you have gone from accepting that the AB is a terrorist group (for their organized assassinations of govt officials outside of prison for the purpose of intimidation) and correctly identifying the organization as "the polar opposite of left wing" when discussing the political views it holds......to now backtracking and story changing. It bothers me not at all. I can see it bothers you a lot, but that does not change what the structure of this group is. Your flip-flops do not matter, it changes not one bit what the Aryan Brotherhood constitution is, a RWA document.
 
calamity said:
Wrong. You just failed to see what I wrote outside of your Left/Right paradigm.
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You clearly understood what I wrote:

Gimmesometruth said:
Calamity, I hope you are familiar with the concept of a political map, where one axis describes economic beliefs and the other axis describes social freedom? Since we have little to go as far as economic beliefs (though one could argue they operate with a extreme libertarian view, ie no govt interference), we have to place them primarily on social standards. Clearly, they fall on the extreme right.

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calamity said:
True, in that they are indeed the polar opposite to the Far left.
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You understood that the document, the concepts within it that they abide by, place it and them on the right wing of the political spectrum.
You are on the record.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
You clearly understood what I wrote:



You understood that the document, the concepts within it that they abide by, place it and them on the right wing of the political spectrum.
You are on the record.
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Yes. They are on the Right of the political spectrum. Like I said about a dozen pages ago: They certainly are not Left leaning. But, the AB is not a political organization. They are a prison gang. Prison gangs don't ****ing vote; they don;t hire lobbyists, and they certainly do not have the ear of any congressman, woman or child. Sheesh.
 
calamity said:
Yes. They are on the Right of the political spectrum.
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That was the point that I have been making ALL ALONG.


Like I said about a dozen pages ago: They certainly are not Left leaning.
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So why continue to deny THE POINT?

But, the AB is not a political organization.
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Straw, that was NEVER a point I made, it was never an argument from me, it is a straw argument created by you in your confusion.

They are a prison gang. Prison gangs don't ****ing vote; they don;t hire lobbyists, and they certainly do not have the ear of any congressman, woman or child. Sheesh.
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Straw and non-sequiturs, those were never arguments that I made, again, they are YOUR creations.

Sheesh indeed.

It has taken you 64 pages to get MY point, yet your confusion still partially remains. I wonder how long that will take to straighten out?
 
Gimmesometruth said:
That was the point that I have been making ALL ALONG.


So why continue to deny THE POINT?

Straw, that was NEVER a point I made, it was never an argument from me, it is a straw argument created by you in your confusion.

Straw and non-sequiturs, those were never arguments that I made, again, they are YOUR creations.

Sheesh indeed.

It has taken you 64 pages to get MY point, yet your confusion still partially remains. I wonder how long that will take to straighten out?
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I show 22.

You're point is that you are equating RW orgs which operate in the outside world with a white supremacist prison gang. I say that gang, by it's very nature, is not a political entity. You want to lump them in with the John Birch Society. I'm right; you're wrong. It's really that simple.
 
calamity said:
I show 22.
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Wow, you even have trouble counting...

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...uty-gunned-down-w-627-a-3.html#post1061636464

I should have said 62, but that is closer to 64 than 22 is.

You are (sic) point is that you are equating RW orgs which operate in the outside world with a white supremacist prison gang. I say that gang, by it's very nature, is not a political entity. You want to lump them in with the John Birch Society. I'm right; you're wrong. It's really that simple.
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Again, they only way you "win" your argument is by creating straw arguments and to put words in my mouth. I never said the John Birch Society was a RW terrorist organization, I never equated them with the Aryan Brotherhood....who were a rw group......and are now a rw TERRORIST group.

You have agreed that they are rw, you have agreed they are a terrorist group. I have no idea what your plan is...unless you are going to do ANOTHER flip for all to see once again.
 
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calamity said:
Yes. They are on the Right of the political spectrum. Like I said about a dozen pages ago: They certainly are not Left leaning. But, the AB is not a political organization. They are a prison gang. Prison gangs don't ****ing vote; they don;t hire lobbyists, and they certainly do not have the ear of any congressman, woman or child. Sheesh.
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An organization does not need to have politics as its' organizing principle in order for it to have a political lean.

Planned Parenthood and Susan G Komen for the Cure are organized around health issues, but are involved in politics. The ADL is organized to protect Jewish interests.

Furthermore, an org can have a politics at its' core without it having a political lean. The League of Women Voters is non-partisan and takes no position on the issues. It merely works to increase female participation in elections.

Life is not so simple that things go into one box, and one box only. AB is a criminal organization. It is a prison gang. But it also has a political leaning and that is to the far right.
 
calamity said:
I show 22.

You're point is that you are equating RW orgs which operate in the outside world with a white supremacist prison gang. I say that gang, by it's very nature, is not a political entity. You want to lump them in with the John Birch Society. I'm right; you're wrong. It's really that simple.
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Can you quote any post in this thread where anyone equates AB with any other political group or party?
 
Catawba said:
"The semi-automatic weapon found at the site where Adam Lanza shot to death 20 children and six adults, for example, is a variant of a type of gun developed for troops during Vietnam.

"It is one of a variety of assault rifles that militaries of the world developed," Tom Diaz, a policy analyst for the Violence Policy Center, tells Fresh Air's Terry Gross, "when they realized that most soldiers do not, when they're engaged in combat ... take accurate aim, do not fire at long distances, but rather just spray bullets in the general direction of the enemy at short to medium range. ... oldiers are not marksmen, and they tend to just fire in bursts at ambiguous targets and, in fact, most battlefield injuries are the result of just being where the bullet is and not someone actually aiming at you."

Assault-Style Weapons In The Civilian Market : NPR





That will ultimately be decided by voters.
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Diaz is correct, when he says that soldiers tend to "spray and pray", but he's way off base when he suggests that the semi-automatic rifle was an invention of the Vietnam era.

Select-fire rifles didn't become the majority of weapons in the United States military until 1959. Prior to that, most issue weapons were semi-automatic. The semi-auto didn't even show up on the scene until 1936.

Not sure what posting that artilcle was supposed to point out, except that anti-gunners don't know much about guns, or history.
 
sangha said:
An organization does not need to have politics as its' organizing principle in order for it to have a political lean.

Planned Parenthood and Susan G Komen for the Cure are organized around health issues, but are involved in politics. The ADL is organized to protect Jewish interests.

Furthermore, an org can have a politics at its' core without it having a political lean. The League of Women Voters is non-partisan and takes no position on the issues. It merely works to increase female participation in elections.

Life is not so simple that things go into one box, and one box only. AB is a criminal organization. It is a prison gang. But it also has a political leaning and that is to the far right.
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No argument. I'll buy that language.
 
sangha said:
Can you quote any post in this thread where anyone equates AB with any other political group or party?
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Something about Tea Nuts and the Koch brothers started all this back around pages 1-5.
 
calamity said:
Something about Tea Nuts and the Koch brothers started all this back around pages 1-5.
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There was also the attempt to equate them to the aryan nation
 
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