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Texas DA, wife killed -- 2 months after his deputy is gunned down [W:627]

yup. the Tea party... known for it's violence, racism, and authoritarianism.


this is a very enlightening conversation.
it's nice to see what left wingers really think about their fellow right wing and conservative fellow citizens....very .... enlightening.

I just don't understand the determination to prove that the Aryan Brotherhood is "rightwing." The ones in the joint aren't anything other than thugs who've banded together for self-protection just the way other prison gangs have. Whatever. I'd be really, really surprised if most of these guys have ever even voted.

I mean, this trying to connect a prison gang with anything beyond thug-life is just so...dumb.
 
I just don't understand the determination to prove that the Aryan Brotherhood is "rightwing." The ones in the joint aren't anything other than thugs who've banded together for self-protection just the way other prison gangs have. Whatever. I'd be really, really surprised if most of these guys have ever even voted.

I mean, this trying to connect a prison gang with anything beyond thug-life is just so...dumb.

Yeah, that whole sticking to the facts is so passé in some circles
 
Yeah, that whole sticking to the facts is so passé in some circles

Ya, and so is actually being familiar with the Texas penal system and the Aryan Brotherhood, the topic of the thread. Me, yes. You...not so much. Nice try, though.
 
Ya, and so is actually being familiar with the Texas penal system and the Aryan Brotherhood, the topic of the thread. Me, yes. You...not so much. Nice try, though.

Yes, familiarity with AB shows that they are rightwing. Far right to be specific
 
I just don't understand the determination to prove that the Aryan Brotherhood is "rightwing." The ones in the joint aren't anything other than thugs who've banded together for self-protection just the way other prison gangs have. Whatever. I'd be really, really surprised if most of these guys have ever even voted.

I mean, this trying to connect a prison gang with anything beyond thug-life is just so...dumb.

Because they are trying to make the "right wing" look like racists and criminals. Some people are too dumb to figure out that there are all kinds of nut jobs out there. Right wing, left wing, no wings.
 
You don't get it. I'm guessing you don't understand much about prison life. If you need to apply a label to suit some sort of political purpose here, fine. Call the Aryan Brotherhood "rightwing." But this is a political def, Sangha, and I'm talking about the outside world's politics. You need to understand that prison gangs don't give a rat's ass about the outside world's politics.
 
Because they are trying to make the "right wing" look like racists and criminals. Some people are too dumb to figure out that there are all kinds of nut jobs out there. Right wing, left wing, no wings.

Well, the common denominator of inmates is that they are doing what they have to do to survive and thrive. Bonding is the way, and the fact is that in prison, there are far fewer "qualifiers" than in the outside world. Race is one.
 
You don't get it. I'm guessing you don't understand much about prison life. If you need to apply a label to suit some sort of political purpose here, fine. Call the Aryan Brotherhood "rightwing." But this is a political def, Sangha, and I'm talking about the outside world's politics. You need to understand that prison gangs don't give a rat's ass about the outside world's politics.

If that were true, AB's code would not apply once they left prison.

But it does.

It seems that you are not very familiar with AB, since you seem to think they are only active in prisons. This story shows that this is not true
 
Well, the common denominator of inmates is that they are doing what they have to do to survive and thrive. Bonding is the way, and the fact is that in prison, there are far fewer "qualifiers" than in the outside world. Race is one.

I don't think in prison people are classified by right wing or left wing though. :mrgreen:
 
The AB is RW like all prison gangs are Right Wing Militant Groups: all are xenophobic, violent and authoritarian. But, if the Mexican Mafia was taking out District Attorneys, no one here would be calling them a Right Wing Hate Group.
huh?

What is that supposed to mean?
 
If that were true, AB's code would not apply once they left prison.

But it does.

It seems that you are not very familiar with AB, since you seem to think they are only active in prisons. This story shows that this is not true

Okay, and the Black Panthers are left wing. What IS your point?
 
I guess, for some here, just seeing the white supremacist angle drives a knee jerk reaction, causing them to ignore the fact that the AB is an organization unique to prison life. Are members of the AB politically Right Wing? Yes. Are they a majority? No. The majority are simply prisoners banding together with other whites. Are the leaders politically Right Wing? No. The leaders are big time gangsters mostly interested in aquiring power the old fashioned way: through money.
 
I never said they weren't far right? I said they weren't political.

Look. I showed, repeatedly, that right wing extremism is not the overriding purpose of the AB gang. I also clearly showed that most members joined the AB for protection, that if they were not in prison, those people would not have joined the gang.

See. The AB is not politically Right Wing. They are a prison gang exclusively for straight Whites, and by that definition alone they are considered polar opposite to the Far Left.
this is just utter stupidity, if they hold to the polar opposite of left wing ideology, then they are a group with a RIGHT WING IDEOLOGY.


This semantic dance is absolutely pointless.
 
If that were true, AB's code would not apply once they left prison.

But it does.

It seems that you are not very familiar with AB, since you seem to think they are only active in prisons. This story shows that this is not true

Never mind, Sangha. I never spoke to activities outside prison. You're putting words in my mouth. But you might want to entertain briefly the idea that sometimes people do stuff in prison that they don't necessarily do when they're out. That, as erudite as you are, perhaps others understand a little about the Aryan Brotherhood that you may not if you're basing your opinion on an article and deciding that this is somehow "proof" of anything. I mean, there might be people who know members of the Aryan Brotherhood or who know folks who work in corrections in Texas.

Point to consider.
 
Never mind, Sangha. I never spoke to activities outside prison. You're putting words in my mouth. But you might want to entertain briefly the idea that sometimes people do stuff in prison that they don't necessarily do when they're out. That, as erudite as you are, perhaps others understand a little about the Aryan Brotherhood that you may not if you're basing your opinion on an article and deciding that this is somehow "proof" of anything. I mean, there might be people who know members of the Aryan Brotherhood or who know folks who work in corrections in Texas.

Point to consider.

I'm still trying to get someone to explain to me the point of this right wing/left wing nonsense about criminal gangs.
 
Never mind, Sangha. I never spoke to activities outside prison. You're putting words in my mouth. But you might want to entertain briefly the idea that sometimes people do stuff in prison that they don't necessarily do when they're out. That, as erudite as you are, perhaps others understand a little about the Aryan Brotherhood that you may not if you're basing your opinion on an article and deciding that this is somehow "proof" of anything. I mean, there might be people who know members of the Aryan Brotherhood or who know folks who work in corrections in Texas.

Point to consider.

You said that prison gangs like AB don't give a damn about the outside world. Problem is, that's just not true

Nonetheless, I will accept your surrender.
 
I guess, for some here, just seeing the white supremacist angle drives a knee jerk reaction, causing them to ignore the fact that the AB is an organization unique to prison life. Are members of the AB politically Right Wing? Yes. Are they a majority? No.
A majority of what?


The majority are simply prisoners banding together with other whites. Are the leaders politically Right Wing? No.
If they hold to RW ideology, yes, Virginia, they are RW. If they are going against their own constitution, then they are not going to be a part of their organization.

The leaders are big time gangsters mostly interested in aquiring power the old fashioned way: through money.
And again, the two are not mutually exclusive. We already went over this.

You just keep worming away from your admission.
 
I'm still trying to get someone to explain to me the point of this right wing/left wing nonsense about criminal gangs.

left wing activists are trying to tar conservatives for the murder of this DA and his wife
 
I'm still trying to get someone to explain to me the point of this right wing/left wing nonsense about criminal gangs.

I'm not really sure what the point is except that it's partisan and dumb.
 
I'm still trying to get someone to explain to me the point of this right wing/left wing nonsense about criminal gangs.

The point is simple. AB is rightwing

It wouldn't have rated a mention if it weren't for the rightwingers who objected to the mention of this fact and tried to deny its' truth
 
I'm not really sure what the point is except that it's partisan and dumb.

Actually, in spite of your repeated and dishonest claims about this being partisan, not one person has even tried to link AB to any political party
 
You said that prison gangs like AB don't give a damn about the outside world. Problem is, that's just not true

Nonetheless, I will accept your surrender.

Oh, by all means. :roll:

Of course, I didn't realize that you and I were engaged in a "battle." But since this is essential to you, I will certainly concede the "field." :roll:
 
The point is simple. AB is rightwing

It wouldn't have rated a mention if it weren't for the rightwingers who objected to the mention of this fact and tried to deny its' truth


1)who cares

2) their version of RW is really not applicable to the common meaning of RW or most RWs anymore than the ELF or Earth First is attributable to you

3) until we know who actually killed the DA all of this is mental masturbation

later
 
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