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Texas DA, wife killed -- 2 months after his deputy is gunned down [W:627]

sangha said:
AB is strongly linked to Aryan Nations, which is identified by the FBI as a rightwing terroristic organization

You shouldn't do anything automatically, but you should learn the facts before attacking Gst for stating the fact that they are right wing, they are terrorists, they are domestic, and they are assassinating Texas govt officials.
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I'm definitely not attacking GST. I just don't agree with the AB as "terrorists". They are criminals. Terrorists have a political objective. The AB have only money on their mind. They'd sell out the AN for a dollar more.

Even the Aryan Michael Thompson called them race traitors. he said he quit the group because they betrayed the race by selling addictive drugs to other whites. So...I'd say playing politics is not part of the AB's game.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
Again, if you're saying criminal gangs can be prosecuted as DT then show me the legal precedence. Because if not, there is little use for citing such a legal definition
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Um, the "legal precedence" for meeting the definition of "domestic terrorism" is whether or not the FBI has determined a group has met the criteria. Clearly they have, as any sentient being can clearly see, your demand simply is based upon whether the FBI has added them to the list.

Hint: That is not a requirement for my saying they are a domestic terrorist organization, it is a matter of seeing what they have done and comparing that to the criteria.
Hint#2: You don't have to agree, that is not a requirement....at all.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Um, the "legal precedence" for meeting the definition of "domestic terrorism" is whether or not the FBI has determined a group has met the criteria. Clearly they have, as any sentient being can clearly see, your demand simply is based upon whether the FBI has added them to the list.

Hint: That is not a requirement for my saying they are a domestic terrorist organization, it is a matter of seeing what they have done and comparing that to the criteria.
Hint#2: You don't have to agree, that is not a requirement....at all.
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I linked to the FBI. They didn't define them as a terrorist group, but a criminal gang, like the mafia
 
calamity said:
I'm definitely not attacking GST. I just don't agree with the AB as "terrorists". They are criminals. Terrorists have a political objective. The AB have only money on their mind. They'd sell out the AN for a dollar more.

Even the Aryan Michael Thompson called them race traitors. he said he quit the group because they betrayed the race by selling addictive drugs to other whites. So...I'd say playing politics is not part of the AB's game.
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In that case, the FBI disagrees.

AN is a terrorist org according to the FBI, and AB is an offshoot of AN.
 
Thrilla said:
as i figured... you still have nothing but ad homs....

what an utter disappointment you are... get off the internet.
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Gee, if by that criteria i am a "disappointment", after providing you with the definitions, the examples and having 2 people explain it to you....and you still can't see them, well. I hate to think of what you think of yourself.

I will accept this as a conceding of the argument.

Better luck next time.
 
Thrilla said:
the links do not corroborate your claims of "intimate" or "strong" links.. you'll have to do much better than a prison newsletter that is open to all white supremacists.

please provide links that actually back up your claims.
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Yes they do, but I don't expect someone who claims that something that has already been posted has not been posted to agree
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
then just quote the material
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I read his links.. the only "link: they have is a prison recruitment pamphlet put out by the Aryan Nation and read by AB's in prison.


oh, and some anonymous guy on the Stormfront forum claiming he's a ranking member of both.( .. cuz we all know people don't lie on the internet, and white supremacists are notoriously trustworthy. :lol:)
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
I linked to the FBI. They didn't define them as a terrorist group, but a criminal gang, like the mafia
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You are going in circles as I already pointed out that they had not committed these new crimes, you cited data from the last century.

EDIT....and you are tossing straw, since I never said the FBI had defined them as such.
 
sangha said:
In that case, the FBI disagrees.

AN is a terrorist org according to the FBI, and AB is an offshoot of AN.
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1) you linked to a Wikipedia page

2) the Wikipedia page was talking about the Aryan nation. We are discussing the Aryan Brotherhood

So no, your link does not establish what the fbi thinks. And secondly, I already linked to a description from the fbi that defined them as a criminal gang
 
sangha said:
Yes they do, but I don't expect someone who claims that something that has already been posted has not been posted to agree
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nope, sorry... they don't.

you are free to quote the specific information you think backs you up, though....don't be shy,i don't mind being proven wrong, i just don't like being lied to.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
You are going in circles as I already pointed out that they had not committed these new crimes, you cited data from the last century.
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My request wasn't dependent on them committing such crimes, it dealt with the prosecution of similarly criminally motivated crimes under the law you cited.
 
Thrilla said:
I read his links.. the only "link: they have is a prison recruitment pamphlet put out by the Aryan Nation and read by AB's in prison.


oh, and some anonymous guy on the Stormfront forum claiming he's a ranking member of both.( .. cuz we all know people don't lie on the internet, and white supremacists are notoriously trustworthy. :lol:)
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Your post is a lie. The very next sentence after the one you just referred to describes the very close relationship between the two groups, so your lie was a dellberate one
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
My request wasn't dependent on them committing such crimes, it dealt with the prosecution of similarly criminally motivated crimes under the law you cited.
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Here again, I will repeat, I never said the FBI defined them as such, you are making a straw argument....again.

And note, it is my argument that has the dependency, ie, if they meet the definition, then I say they are.....as would any reasonable thinking being.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
1) you linked to a Wikipedia page

2) the Wikipedia page was talking about the Aryan nation. We are discussing the Aryan Brotherhood

So no, your link does not establish what the fbi thinks. And secondly, I already linked to a description from the fbi that defined them as a criminal gang
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No, I posted several links. Your claim that I only posted one link is a lie.

That's why I'm not going to quote from the link...because you'll ignore the quote just as you ignored the links
 
Thrilla said:
nope, sorry... they don't.

you are free to quote the specific information you think backs you up, though....don't be shy,i don't mind being proven wrong, i just don't like being lied to.
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Yes, they do and you have already proven that you will ignore any evidence that proves you wrong, just as you ignored the sentence that came right after the sentence which described how AN helped AB recruit new members (from the ADL site)
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Gee, if by that criteria i am a "disappointment", after providing you with the definitions, the examples and having 2 people explain it to you....and you still can't see them, well. I hate to think of what you think of yourself.

I will accept this as a conceding of the argument.

Better luck next time.
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another lie... you haven't explained ****.. neither has your buddy.

you provided the 3 characteristics and the platform.....that's it... nothing more....well, you provided claims too... just no explanation, no substantiation, no corroboration... nothing.
do i need to do your work for you ..again?


did you just really declare victory?..seriously?...dear lord, what utter buffoonery..... it does fit your "debate" style though....valueless and lacking in facts.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Here again, I will repeat, I never said the FBI defined them as such, you are making a straw argument....again.

And note, it is my argument that has the dependency, ie, if they meet the definition, then I say they are.....as would any reasonable thinking being.
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Like I said, here's where the argue about the meaning of every word.

But I left out the part where they make ridiculous straw men arguments
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Here again, I will repeat, I never said the FBI defined them as such, you are making a straw argument....again.
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Nothing I wrote concerns the FBI defining them as such, it concerns prosecution of similar crimes (those based on criminal interests, like stopping a criminal investigation into racketeering) under terrorism laws. Because you are claiming the group who committed a criminally motivated act is a terroist organization, because their crime can be prosecuted under it.
 
Thrilla said:
i'm sure gay men were opposed.. well, because they were the target of that control.

I'm sure you were smart enough to understand that "universal" didn't mean every single individual on earth... it means the total lack of political opposition
I mean, we are talking about partisan politics here...

if you are going to spew ad homs at me, at least have the common courtesy to wrap an argument around them and pretend you are a worthy opponent.
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You might want to read up on just what was covered under "Sodomy Laws"
A sodomy law is a law that defines certain sexual acts as crimes. The precise sexual acts meant by the term sodomy are rarely spelled out in the law, but are typically understood by courts to include any sexual act deemed to be "unnatural" or immoral.
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