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Texas DA, wife killed -- 2 months after his deputy is gunned down [W:627]

Gimmesometruth said:
Under current United States law, set forth in the USA PATRIOT Act, acts of domestic terrorism are those which: "(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State; (B) appear to be intended— (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.
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can you show me any other incident where a criminally motivated act was prosecuted under the above?
 
Thrilla said:
I googled for these "multiple links" you cite but was unable to find anything to corroborate.... can you link to where you got that information?
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Huh....you have not yet digested the previous. bigger, more important drinks.....and yet you want to sip from a new cup.

Weird.
 
calamity said:
I'm not automatically placing all the racists under one RW tent. The Aryan Brotherhood is a prison gang not the Nazi party.
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AB is strongly linked to Aryan Nations, which is identified by the FBI as a rightwing terroristic organization

You shouldn't do anything automatically, but you should learn the facts before attacking Gst for stating the fact that they are right wing, they are terrorists, they are domestic, and they are assassinating Texas govt officials.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
can you show me any other incident where a criminally motivated act was prosecuted under the above?
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Why am I required to do that....when the point is whether the existing acts of the AB already fall within this definition?
 
sangha said:
Aryan Brotherhood | Idaho Gangs

ADL Backgrounder - Aryan Nations

here's a guy who identifies himself as a member of both

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...yoG4Ag&usg=AFQjCNGfEOOD0yS3cxaA5A1HTIbjv77DDQ
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1)how would a guy iding himself as a member of both confer a political status on the AB or outline a political agenda? If he also joined the PTA would that then designate the PTA as a RW hate group/prison gang. Of course not, because guilt by association is a logical fallacy

2)what should I be looking for on the idaho gang page?

3)you linked to a page about the AN. It doesn't mention ties between the two (at least that I saw)
 
Thrilla said:
keep up?.. hell son, i'm way ahead of you

it's ok man.. i knew you would refuse... it's not your style to back up your idiot claims.
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The facts have been documented.

It's justs that we have now proven that every word that Gst used to describe them was acccurate, you're now going to pretend that it didn't happen
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Simply? Really, you had both Sangha and I provide you the terms in their own constitution defining themselves with the framework you accepted (ie Altemeyer)....and all you have is "simply because they are racist white supremacists".

Boy, you just don't know how thirsty you really are.
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you provide me with information I already knew... and then failed to make an argument for your claim.
you provide the RWA characteristic and the AB platform... and mistakenly thought that would stand in it's own as some sort of self evident truth.. guess what? it doesn't.
make an argument for christs sake..... stop being lazy.

you have simply failed... all around.. to make a compelling argument for anything.... and now i'm starting to catch you in lies ( AB has no ties to the Aryan nation, you made that up)
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Why am I required to do that....when the point is whether the existing acts of the AB already fall within this definition?
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because you are claiming a criminally motivated act is prosecutible under the above. So show me the precedence supporting your claim
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
1)how would a guy iding himself as a member of both confer a political status on the AB or outline a political agenda? If he also joined the PTA would that then designate the PTA as a RW hate group/prison gang. Of course not, because guilt by association is a logical fallacy

2)what should I be looking for on the idaho gang page?

3)you linked to a page about the AN. It doesn't mention ties between the two (at least that I saw)
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1) The links I posted show the links between AB and AN, which is what you asked for. Since you got pwned, you now want to pretend that I only posted one link.

2) Where it describes the two orgs as linked as allies

3) Yes it does. You obviously are not understanding what it says
 
I can't believe I'm defending the Right Wing, but pinning the AB on the Right is llke pinning the murderous Mexican cartels on the Left.
 
Thrilla said:
you provide me with information I already knew... and then failed to make an argument for your claim.
you provide the RWA characteristic and the AB platform... and mistakenly thought that would stand in it's own as some sort of self evident truth.. guess what? it doesn't.
make an argument for christs sake..... stop being lazy.

you have simply failed... all around.. to make a compelling argument for anything.... and now i'm starting to catch you in lies ( AB has no ties to the Aryan nation, you made that up)
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We have explained how each of the RWA characteristics are fulfilled by the AB and you've been unable to refute you. You didn't even try
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
because you are claiming a criminally motivated act is prosecutible under the above. So show me the precedence supporting your claim
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Prosecutable? That would be up to a fed attorney, the point is whether these acts could be defined as domestic terrorism....and it seems to me, and any other reasonable person, that they are.

FFS, if the Animal Liberation Front is a US Domestic Terrorist Organization....well then.
 
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sangha said:
The facts have been documented.

It's justs that we have now proven that every word that Gst used to describe them was acccurate, you're now going to pretend that it didn't happen
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no, they haven't...and there has been no proof provided.... all you got is claims

what's this "we" bull****?.. Gst has been doing the work here( and failing).... you've done nothin' but your usual liberal buttbuddy bull****
i'll let you explain to Gst why you are trying to steal his labor here.


listen, this issue doesn't need to be political...and I absolutely question the intelligence of those whom would make it one or argue that it is.... but as long as we're here,and simple minds are hell bent on making this partisan, i'll make it painful.... they'd better do good work or i'll ride that ass... there's no time for intellectual laziness, so get to work.
 
sangha said:
1) The links I posted show the links between AB and AN, which is what you asked for. Since you got pwned, you now want to pretend that I only posted one link.
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As pointed out, you're appealing to guilt by association here. Shared members doesn't document anything beyond the fact a person belonged to both organizations. And as I pointed out, if that person then joined the PTA, it would not establish the PTA as having any connection to either organization, or work to establish the PTA as a prison gang or DT organization.


2) Where it describes the two orgs as linked as allies
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Can you quote it?

3) Yes it does. You obviously are not understanding what it says
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I'm not trying to be a smart ass. If it's there just quote it
 
Aryan Nations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Aryan Nations is a white supremacist or "white Christian separatist" religious organization originally based in Hayden Lake, Idaho. Richard Girnt Butler founded the group in the 1970s, as an arm of the Christian Identity organization Church of Jesus Christ–Christian. The Federal Bureau of Investigation has called Aryan Nations a "terrorist threat",[1] and the RAND Corporation has called it the "first truly nationwide terrorist network" in the US.[2]
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Gimmesometruth said:
Prosecutable? That would be up to a fed attorney, the point is whether these acts could be defined as domestic terrorism....and it seems to me, and any other reasonable person, that they are.

FFS, if the Animal Liberation Front is a US Domestic Terrorist Organization....well then.
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Again, if you're saying criminal gangs can be prosecuted as DT then show me the legal precedence. Because if not, there is little use for citing such a legal definition
 
Thrilla said:
no, they haven't...and there has been no proof provided.... all you got is claims

what's this "we" bull****?.. Gst has been doing the work here( and failing).... you've done nothin' but your usual liberal buttbuddy bull****
i'll let you explain to Gst why you are trying to steal his labor here.


listen, this issue doesn't need to be political...and I absolutely question the intelligence of those whom would make it one or argue that it is.... but as long as we're here,and simple minds are hell bent on making this partisan, i'll make it painful.... they'd better do good work or i'll ride that ass... there's no time for intellectual laziness, so get to work.
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The facts have been documented.

The definition of RWA has been posted, and the ABs constitution has been shown to be consistent with that definition.
 
sangha said:
We have explained how each of the RWA characteristics are fulfilled by the AB and you've been unable to refute you. You didn't even try
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that's a lie.,
I'm the only one that has even attempted to draw anything remotely resembling adherence to RWA characteristics....

sorry man, throwing the 3 characteristics out there followed by the AB platform is not an explanation of ****.... you guys are pretending your claims are self evident and refusing to explain a damn thing.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
As pointed out, you're appealing to guilt by association here. Shared members doesn't document anything beyond the fact a person belonged to both organizations. And as I pointed out, if that person then joined the PTA, it would not establish the PTA as having any connection to either organization, or work to establish the PTA as a prison gang or DT organization.




Can you quote it?



I'm not trying to be a smart ass. If it's there just quote it
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The links I posted show that the two orgs are linked by more than members who belong to both groups. The two groups have worked hand in hand, as the links show
 
sangha said:
The links I posted show that the two orgs are linked by more than members who belong to both groups. The two groups have worked hand in hand, as the links show
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then why not quote the material?
 
Thrilla said:
that's a lie.,
I'm the only one that has even attempted to draw anything remotely resembling adherence to RWA characteristics....

sorry man, throwing the 3 characteristics out there followed by the AB platform is not an explanation of ****.... you guys are pretending your claims are self evident and refusing to explain a damn thing.
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The definition has been posted, which you accepted (before you got pwned) and AB has shown to be consistent with the definition
 
calamity said:
I can't believe I'm defending the Right Wing, but pinning the AB on the Right is llke pinning the murderous Mexican cartels on the Left.
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No ****.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
We are not talking about the aryan nation. We are talking about the AB, a prison gang that you claim are terrorists. But the fbi and the splc do not. They identify them as a prison gang
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I have posted links which prove the two orgs are intimately linked
 
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