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Texas DA, wife killed -- 2 months after his deputy is gunned down [W:627]

sangha said:
No, it's only clear to those who are grasping for an argument. The fact that you have to use the word insinuate proves that he didn't say it

And as far as A, B and C goes, those are called facts.
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A is not a fact..... .sorry.
 
Thrilla said:
uhhh, the horse isn't thirsty... he already had a drink

thanks for producing information I already knew and understood though.. i guess


i've explained how the AB adhere to an authoritarian aggression mindset.... now it's your turn to explain the other two characteristics.

I'm dying to hear your argument for Authoritarian Submission and Conventionalism... this oughta be grand:lol:
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I know you are not drinking, so why again, ask me to water you?

The Submission demand is self evident in the VERY FIRST LINE, the convetionalism is throughout when describing the implicit superiority of the white-euro race....but you are not drinking....so this is pointless.
 
Thrilla said:
A is not a fact..... .sorry.
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It is a fact that you don't accept, it is the same argument that TMV did not hold to RWA ideology either.....that is if you ignore all of his Turner Diary obsessions.
 
Thrilla said:
uhhh, the horse isn't thirsty... he already had a drink

thanks for producing information I already knew and understood though.. i guess


i've explained how the AB adhere to an authoritarian aggression mindset.... now it's your turn to explain the other two characteristics.

I'm dying to hear your argument for Authoritarian Submission and Conventionalism... this oughta be grand:lol:
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Authoritarian Submission - read 1(A), 2(B) and 7(A) again

Conventionalism - 1(A), b, e, f and m
 
sangha said:
No, it's only clear to those who are grasping for an argument. The fact that you have to use the word insinuate proves that he didn't say it

And as far as A, B and C goes, those are called facts.
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They are? let us see what the FBI says :

"The Aryan Brotherhood, a violent white supremacist gang, formed within the California state prison system in the late 1960s. On August 9, 1982, the FBI’s Los Angeles Field Office opened a racketeering enterprise investigation into the gang. The case was closed in 1989."

FBI — Aryan Brotherhood

so they are not terrorists. Assassination suggests a political motive (which there was none here), and they have no real clear political platform. In fact, I never heard much about their involvement in politics, at all.
 
apdst said:
Looks like the cops need to get old school on these AB goofballs and put the fear of God in'em.

If I was the sheriff in that country, I would find a few hard hittin' deputies to track these dudes down and make them wish they had behaved themselves a little better.
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Hell must have frozen over because you and I are in agreement.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
They are? let us see what the FBI says :

"The Aryan Brotherhood, a violent white supremacist gang, formed within the California state prison system in the late 1960s. On August 9, 1982, the FBI’s Los Angeles Field Office opened a racketeering enterprise investigation into the gang. The case was closed in 1989."

FBI — Aryan Brotherhood

so they are not terrorists. Assassination suggests a political motive (which there was none here), and they have no real clear political platform. In fact, I never heard much about their involvement in politics, at all.
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Hey, guess what...it is 2013....and they just assassinated a DA and his assistant DA....in the US....in Texas...ie, domestic terrorism.

Or is your argument that they are only domestic terrorist when deemed so by the FBI?
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Hey, guess what...it is 2013....and they just assassinated a DA and his assistant DA....in the US....in Texas...ie, domestic terrorism.
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well, if you you are arguing that crime gangs are now terrorists and their crimes of coercion are acts of terrorism, then that leaves the two terms rather meaningless.

And so I'm guessing the russian mafia, the cartels, and ms-13 are all terrorists, as well?
 
Gimmesometruth said:
I'm not going to get off on some other group(s) when you seem to have trouble just id'ing the Black Panthers. Further, the political bent is not determined by who a group is assassinating....Just because Stalin killed Trotsky-ites did not make him rw. And you keep on believing that I am saying that their assassination are politically motivated, when again, my point has been pretty simple, identifying them as a rw extremist entity.


Being a Brother | Southern Poverty Law Center
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That they are racist does not make them "Right Wing". I see nothing "Right Wing" about them--no talk of taxes, church, abortion, corporate rights as persons, nothing associated with the Right.

Look. There are racists who are part of the Right. The AB are just racists.

I have no idea what you're talking about with Black Panthers. I never mentioned the BP's.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
well, if you you are arguing that crime gangs are now terrorists and their crimes of coercion are acts of terrorism, then that leaves the two terms rather meaningless.

And so I'm guessing the russian mafia, the cartels, and ms-13 are all terrorists, as well?
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Um, the Aryan Nation, with multiple links to the Brotherhood, are already classified as US Domestic Terrorists. If that makes the term "meaningless", then I am sorry for your argument.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Hey, guess what...it is 2013....and they just assassinated a DA and his assistant DA....in the US....in Texas...ie, domestic terrorism.

Or is your argument that they are only domestic terrorist when deemed so by the FBI?
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This where they start arguing over the definition of every word.

"AB is not rightwing"

"AB is not terroristic"

"AB not domestic"

By the time it's reaching the end, they'll be arguing that AB is not US
 
Gimmesometruth said:
It is a fact that you don't accept, it is the same argument that TMV did not hold to RWA ideology either.....that is if you ignore all of his Turner Diary obsessions.
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so which are you going with.. are they politically right wing.. or are they right wing authoritarians?

you haven't provide once ounce of support for them being politically affiliated with ..well.. anyone.... you haven't provide an ounce of evidence they are political at all.

you have failed to provide an ounce of evidence that supports your RWA claim ,as of yet... you even have the defining characteristics in front of you and have still failed.



does anyone else get the feeling Gimme is declaring them to be "right wing" simply because they are racist white supremacists?..I know I have that feeling.
 
calamity said:
That they are racist does not make them "Right Wing". I see nothing "Right Wing" about them--no talk of taxes, church, abortion, corporate rights as persons, nothing associated with the Right.

Look. There are racists who are part of the Right. The AB are just racists.

I have no idea what you're talking about with Black Panthers. I never mentioned the BP's.
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Rightwing does not mean supporting low taxes, corporate rights, churches etc. That's only the current form it tends to take in the US.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Um, the Aryan Nation, with multiple links to the Brotherhood, are already classified as US Domestic Terrorists. If that makes the term "meaningless", then I am sorry for your argument.
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multiple links? Then document them.

the SPLC doesn't even refer to them as terrorists:

"The AB was originally formed in 1964 at San Quentin Maximum Security Prison in San Quentin, Calif., as a response to the desegregation of the prison. It was initially a kind of racially based protective association for whites, but in the decades since then the AB has grown into the largest and most violent prison gang in America, with an estimated 15,000 members. Most members are in state or federal prisons, but an increasing number in recent years have helped to build up a criminal empire that is largely directed by AB bosses who are imprisoned, some of them serving life sentences."

Texas Prosecutor ‘Involved’ in Aryan Brotherhood Investigation is Slain | Hatewatch | Southern Poverty Law Center
 
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Thrilla said:
so which are you going with.. are they politically right wing.. or are they right wing authoritarians?

you haven't provide once ounce of support for them being politically affiliated with ..well.. anyone.... you haven't provide an ounce of evidence they are political at all.

you have failed to provide an ounce of evidence that supports your RWA claim ,as of yet... you even have the defining characteristics in front of you and have still failed.



does anyone else get the feeling Gimme is declaring them to be "right wing" simply because they are racist white supremacists?..I know I have that feeling.
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His original statement was that they are right wing. He's right.

And one doesn't have to be affiliated with any other group in order to be rightwing, just as Jim Jones didn't have to be affiliated with any other group in order to be leftwing (though he wasnt)

And Gst has already posted a link explaining what rightwing is, and we have explained why it applies to AB
 
Thrilla said:
so which are you going with.. are they politically right wing.. or are they right wing authoritarians?

you haven't provide once ounce of support for them being politically affiliated with ..well.. anyone.... you haven't provide an ounce of evidence they are political at all.

you have failed to provide an ounce of evidence that supports your RWA claim ,as of yet... you even have the defining characteristics in front of you and have still failed.



does anyone else get the feeling Gimme is declaring them to be "right wing" simply because they are racist white supremacists?..I know I have that feeling.
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Simply? Really, you had both Sangha and I provide you the terms in their own constitution defining themselves with the framework you accepted (ie Altemeyer)....and all you have is "simply because they are racist white supremacists".

Boy, you just don't know how thirsty you really are.
 
sangha said:
Rightwing does not mean supporting low taxes, corporate rights, churches etc. That's only the current form it tends to take in the US.
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I'm not automatically placing all the racists under one RW tent. The Aryan Brotherhood is a prison gang not the Nazi party.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Um, the Aryan Nation, with multiple links to the Brotherhood, are already classified as US Domestic Terrorists. If that makes the term "meaningless", then I am sorry for your argument.
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I googled for these "multiple links" you cite but was unable to find anything to corroborate.... can you link to where you got that information?
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
the SPLC doesn't even refer to them as terrorists
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Under current United States law, set forth in the USA PATRIOT Act, acts of domestic terrorism are those which: "(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State; (B) appear to be intended— (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
multiple links? Then document them.

the SPLC doesn't even refer to them as terrorists:

"The AB was originally formed in 1964 at San Quentin Maximum Security Prison in San Quentin, Calif., as a response to the desegregation of the prison. It was initially a kind of racially based protective association for whites, but in the decades since then the AB has grown into the largest and most violent prison gang in America, with an estimated 15,000 members. Most members are in state or federal prisons, but an increasing number in recent years have helped to build up a criminal empire that is largely directed by AB bosses who are imprisoned, some of them serving life sentences."

Texas Prosecutor ‘Involved’ in Aryan Brotherhood Investigation is Slain | Hatewatch | Southern Poverty Law Center
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Aryan Brotherhood | Idaho Gangs

ADL Backgrounder - Aryan Nations

here's a guy who identifies himself as a member of both

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...yoG4Ag&usg=AFQjCNGfEOOD0yS3cxaA5A1HTIbjv77DDQ
 
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