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    re: Texas DA, wife killed -- 2 months after his deputy is gunned down [W:627]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    "an arm of the Right Wing" suggests that there is some unified group. There isn't

    And there's nothing in the definition that disqualifies a prison gang.

    You are just raising red herrings which have nothing to do with determining their political lean. Face it! You were put off by their description as a prison gang more interested in making money which led you to think they weren't political and now you're not willing to admit that your assumption that a prison gang can't be political was wrong.
    Prison gangs are a unique animal---they evolved in Prisons.
    James B. Jacobs (1982) points out that violent racial conflict is a reality within correctional
    institutions and that such racial conflict has coincided with a decline in the custodial staff's
    ability tomaintain order. He suggests that "while racial conflict complicates the security task, the
    deterioration of order is also attributable to increased programming, court intervention...and
    overcrowding" (p.121). These were precisely the conditions operating within the Texas prison
    system that facilitated the Aryan Brotherhood's development.
    http://www.americanjustice.com/images/abt1.pdf
    And, although, like you the authors define the AB as RW extremists, you can tell by reading their reports, that the AB's existence is primarily a response to and condition of prison.

    I'll concede that they are definitely on the Right. But, as yet, they are not politically driven outside of prison. Thus they really cannot be considered a part of the political entity we normally call the Right Wing.

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    re: Texas DA, wife killed -- 2 months after his deputy is gunned down [W:627]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    You just keep on trying to backtrack to previous positions were you again are trying to extract the group from their stated poli-sci positions. If you do not want to discuss their poli-sci positions....THEN DON'T....but you have and you are and you cannot now play this "but they have no political views". They clearly do, you already recognized them as being " the polar opposite of left wing".

    FFS, quit running away from what you already admitted.
    His position requires that he ignore their political beliefs and actions so that he can claim that they have no political beliefs, and even if they do, they haven't acted on them
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    re: Texas DA, wife killed -- 2 months after his deputy is gunned down [W:627]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Thus they really cannot be considered a part of the political entity we normally call the Right Wing.
    Hogwash, for multiple reasons already discussed. You are continuing this reframing of the conversation. The determination was whether the AB is a right wing extremist group.

    You already admitted they are.

    Stop it.
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    re: Texas DA, wife killed -- 2 months after his deputy is gunned down [W:627]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Prison gangs are a unique animal---they evolved in Prisons.


    And, although, like you the authors define the AB as RW extremists, you can tell by reading their reports, that the AB's existence is primarily a response to and condition of prison.

    I'll concede that they are definitely on the Right. But, as yet, they are not politically driven outside of prison. Thus they really cannot be considered a part of the political entity we normally call the Right Wing.
    Your position requires that you ignore their political beliefs and actions so that you can claim that they have no political beliefs, and even if they do, they haven't acted on them

    The fact remains that they have committed political crimes outside of prison.
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    I do believe we are all united in taking care of these domestic terrorists - whatever it takes.

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    re: Texas DA, wife killed -- 2 months after his deputy is gunned down [W:627]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The problem I have with that, is that means when it's a civilian's family, they're not putting forth as much effort to tack down the bad guys. I'e always had a problem with that.
    I don't think that's a problem. What the DA represents is justice. What the Aryan domestic terrorist group represents is a destruction of justice.
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    re: Texas DA, wife killed -- 2 months after his deputy is gunned down [W:627]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    The AB is a fringe extremist group/prison gang. Might as well be the type of scumbag who tried to tie the weather men into mainstream American liberalism if you' re going down that route.
    AB is an active domestic terrorist group that has increased members and threats to the President.

    FBI — Thirty-Four Alleged Aryan Brotherhood of Texas Gang Members Indicted on Federal Racketeering Charges

    Thirty-four alleged members of the Aryan Brotherhood of Texas (ABT) gang, including four of its most senior leaders, have been indicted by a federal grand jury in Houston for allegedly conspiring to participate in a racketeering enterprise, announced Assistant Attorney General Lanny A. Breuer of the Justice Departmentís Criminal Division; U.S. Attorney Kenneth Magidson of the Southern District of Texas; Special Agent in Charge Melvin D. King of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) Houston Division; and FBI Special Agent in Charge Stephen L. Morris of the Houston Field Office.

    The 17-count superseding indictment was returned by a federal grand jury on October 22, 2012, and unsealed today in U.S. District Court in the Southern District of Texas. Fourteen individuals were taken into custody today, and 15 defendants charged in the superseding indictment are already in custody. Five defendants, whose photos are at the conclusion of this release, remain at large.
    Alex Carey:

    ... the 20th century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: The growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy.

    Australian social scientist, quoted by Noam Chomsky in World Orders Old and New

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    re: Texas DA, wife killed -- 2 months after his deputy is gunned down [W:627]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Your position requires that you ignore their political beliefs and actions so that you can claim that they have no political beliefs, and even if they do, they haven't acted on them

    The fact remains that they have committed political crimes outside of prison.
    My take is that the AB are simply an extremely violent group of prison gangsters. Their mission is to intimidate, not bring about social change. As is mentioned here, in the report about the Texas Aryan Brotherhood:
    During the period from spring of 1984 through the summer of 1985, the Texas Aryan
    Brotherhood established itself as "the mad dog" of TDC10. Unlike the gangs which often waited
    for an opportunity to "hit" a target when "the man" was not around, the AB appears to have
    openly courted the reputation as "crazy MFers" as they often wrote to and about each other
    during this period. Hits were regularly attempted in the presence of staff and other inmates.

    The desire to build and keep an extreme reputation was so great that an inmate only two months from
    parole actually murdered another inmate during an administrative segregation recreation period
    that he knew was being videotaped. The assailant was a member of another gang making his
    "bones" in order to get into the AB, and the inmate he stabbed 24 times with an eight inch
    homemade knife was a Brotherhood member accused of having given written testimony against
    another AB member in the matter of the homicide of a black inmate almost a year earlier.11

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    re: Texas DA, wife killed -- 2 months after his deputy is gunned down [W:627]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    My take is that the AB are simply an extremely violent group of prison gangsters. Their mission is to intimidate, not bring about social change. As is mentioned here, in the report about the Texas Aryan Brotherhood:
    My take is that you'll continue to repeat the same nonsense, no matter how many times it has been debunked
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    re: Texas DA, wife killed -- 2 months after his deputy is gunned down [W:627]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    My take is that you'll continue to repeat the same nonsense, no matter how many times it has been debunked
    I agree that all the ingredients are there.
    The cultural baggage, moralism, and fundamentalism outlined by Lipset and Raab as
    components of the political dynamics of right-wing extremist movements is evidenced in the
    importance placed on the customs, mores and lifestyles symbolic of the lost group status. The
    "Creed of the Aryan Brotherhood" romanticizes a philosophy of moral solidarity by stating that
    an Aryan Brother "walks where the weak and heartless won't dare". The moralistic tone of the
    creed which also states that "for an Aryan Brother, death holds no fear, vengeance will be his
    through his brothers still here", symbolically differentiates ABT members from other groups.
    The ABT tattoo also designates the wearer as a member of a distinctly superior group. The
    process by which a member is "tacked" is given the symbolic significance of gained status,
    thereby elevating the group itself to a position of superiority.

    The fundamental religious and moral base of the ABT philosophy is evident in its choice of
    tattoo design. Consisting of a swastika, lightening bolts, and a crowned sword, the tattoo is
    illustrative of white power and a willingness to die for the cause, as one inmate put it, "because
    whites are the crowning glory of man .
    I just can't accept them as a legitimate RW group outside the prison walls. However, that's not to say they can't be, especially as they gain more and more power outside those walls.

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