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Texas DA, wife killed -- 2 months after his deputy is gunned down [W:627]

I don't know what that has to do with anything. I know why cops carry them. Same reason I do. More is better when dealing with deadly threats. Many people miss. Even I have been known to miss.

you seem to want law abiding people to be at a disadvantage when confronted by armed criminals. I suspect it is because anti gun extremists like lots of cases where innocent people are murdered. You use their deaths to try to disarm people like me



Its a simple question. Why were high capacity magazines developed for the military?

Jerry knew the answer to this question. You do not?
 
Given the # of false accusations about the motives behind stating the fact that AB is a rw organization, I'm beginning to think that those making the accusations have a political agenda of their own
Of course.

After all, why would someone repeatedly deny a well-documented fact about AB's rightwing leanings or use the statement of facts to claim that there is any motivation other than a desire to state the facts?
Fact is the white supremacism alone makes them Far Right. Even in the prison setting, they are the furthest Right of all the other gangs.
 
Well...except for allegedly killing the two members of the Texas DA office in that particular county, they are not being accused of terrorism. I know of no AB sanctioned terrorist attacks on citizens outside the prison walls...possible exception being loved ones and family of gang members. Retribution is not terrorism.
Reduce, dilute, repeat.

Notice: The AB is not a terrorist organization any longer. Yawn....

Nonetheless, systematically shooting officers of the court which is investigating your group is a terrorist action, no doubt. Thus the only thing open for debate is if the AB are a Right Wing org. On that, it seems that the only thing we know for sure is that they certainly are not Left Wing.
 
Now that's stretching it a wee bit. They are definitely Far Right in their leaning.
And we swing back the other way. I guess "leaning" far right is not the same as right wing.

Damn, where is my scorecard.
 
And we swing back the other way. I guess "leaning" far right is not the same as right wing.

Damn, where is my scorecard.

You missed this afternoon's discussion. My whole gripe about the Right thing comes down to being against the attempt to tie the AB in with tea baggers and Koch Bros.
 
Reduce, dilute, repeat.

Notice: The AB is not a terrorist organization any longer. Yawn....

If members of the group did the shootings and if the AB sanctioned it, then yes. They are a terrorist group. A Far Right terrorist group even. But, as of now, we don't know who shot those two prosecutors. For all we know it was some rogue goon acting alone.
 
If members of the group did the shootings and if the AB sanctioned it, then yes. They are a terrorist group. A Far Right terrorist group even. But, as of now, we don't know who shot those two prosecutors. For all we know it was some rogue goon acting alone.

The leadership of a decentralized group need not sanction every act in order for the crime to be associated with the group.
 
The leadership of a decentralized group need not sanction every act in order for the crime to be associated with the group.

We can't have it both ways though. One of the keys to the argument here calling the AB "RW" was authoritarianism. If they have a bunch of rogue actors, people not following orders under a rigid authoritative regime, the gang slides down a notch or two from the original definition of Right Wing.

BTW: that one report I read showing how the formerly Right Wing Org fell into decline, showed how the authoritarian nature of the group splintered. We still have that matter to deal with too. The political part of the group: racism and white supremacy; waned as its criminal aspect grew. Also, as the report stated, membership in the White's-only gang was primarily due to people being trapped in prison needing protection from Mexican and Black gangs. No prison; no AB.
 
We can't have it both ways though. One of the keys to the argument here calling the AB "RW" was authoritarianism. If they have a bunch of rogue actors, people not following orders under a rigid authoritative regime, the gang slides down a notch or two from the original definition of Right Wing.

BTW: that one report I read showing how the formerly Right Wing Org fell into decline, showed how the authoritarian nature of the group splintered. We still have that matter to deal with too. The political part of the group: racism and white supremacy; waned as its criminal aspect grew. Also, as the report stated, membership in the White's-only gang was primarily due to people being trapped in prison needing protection from Mexican and Black gangs. No prison; no AB.

So now you're back to "they aren't rightwing"? :doh
 
You missed this afternoon's discussion. My whole gripe about the Right thing comes down to being against the attempt to tie the AB in with tea baggers and Koch Bros.
Oh I saw it, it was another display of your straw arguments. No one was arguing that.

PS...it is "right wing", not "right thing".
 
If members of the group did the shootings and if the AB sanctioned it, then yes. They are a terrorist group. A Far Right terrorist group even. But, as of now, we don't know who shot those two prosecutors. For all we know it was some rogue goon acting alone.

Hold on, I got my score here somewhere.....

Holy Smokes!
Other news sources are tying the Aryan Brotherhood in as likely suspects for both prosecutor killings, and the one of the prison chief in Colorado..
Nonetheless, systematically shooting officers of the court which is investigating your group is a terrorist action, no doubt. Thus the only thing open for debate is if the AB are a Right Wing org. On that, it seems that the only thing we know for sure is that they certainly are not Left Wing.
 
Its a simple question. Why were high capacity magazines developed for the military?

Jerry knew the answer to this question. You do not?

people miss-the military misses a lot

I won't get too technical, you wouldn't understand the concepts.
 
We can't have it both ways though. One of the keys to the argument here calling the AB "RW" was authoritarianism. If they have a bunch of rogue actors, people not following orders under a rigid authoritative regime, the gang slides down a notch or two from the original definition of Right Wing.
This again confirms that you still do not understand the definition/concepts we provided from Altemeyer.

http://members.shaw.ca/jeanaltemeyer/drbob/TheAuthoritarians.pdf
 
Apr 2, 2013 4:45 AM EDT
The Storm of Violence That Killed Texas District Attorney Mike McLelland

"Kaufman County D.A. Mike McLelland said his combat skills and his gun were good enough to keep him alive after a colleague was slain. He was wrong, Michael Daly reports from Forney, Texas."

"By one report, the police who responded recovered 14 shell casings from an AR-15 assault rifle. The .223 caliber was the one used at Sandy Hook elementary school. The formula for horror was also the same.

“Bodies and a lot of shell casings,” a law enforcement official was quoted as saying.


The very ferocity of the attack elicited a theory about the motive.

“Revenge.”

Mike McLelland was a combat veteran of the Gulf War and had recently announced that he did not even walk his dog without a gun. His wife reportedly told members of her quilting club that she, too, was carrying a pistol. But that did nothing to save the McLellands when violence struck like the storm, leaving bloody proof that a gun is no assurance of safety even in the fabled realm of the Texas Rangers."

The Storm of Violence That Killed Texas District Attorney Mike McLelland - The Daily Beast
 
people miss-the military misses a lot

I won't get too technical, you wouldn't understand the concepts.


Interesting that Jerry knew the answer and you didn't.
 
An AR 15 ASSAULT RIFLE

so hard to take people seriously who make such silly errors

catawba thinks if he was not armed, he would be less dead
 
Interesting that Jerry knew the answer and you didn't.

I know the answer-you just don't like the fact you don't understand

its all about using suppressive fire to stifle movement

its not about inflicting casualties
 
I know the answer-you just don't like the fact you don't understand

its all about using suppressive fire to stifle movement

its not about inflicting casualties



I understand, your knowledge of the history of military weapons is not as full as Jerry's. No need to apologize.
 
I understand, your knowledge of the history of military weapons is not as full as Jerry's. No need to apologize.


that is both silly and stupid because since you have no clue about the subject you cannot possibly judge

And I am not going to dispute Jerry, who is in the service, knows lots about military weapons. I am a court recognized expert on civilian weapons, civilian weapons use and the laws governing self defense. I also have years of experience with military weapons. YOu have no experience in any of the relevant areas. So its akin to a cro magnon saying one doctor knows more about radiation oncology compared to another

btw lets get back on topic

you need to justify your silly claims that having a gun did not make the DA safer.
 
that is both silly and stupid because since you have no clue about the subject you cannot possibly judge

And I am not going to dispute Jerry, who is in the service, knows lots about military weapons. I am a court recognized expert on civilian weapons, civilian weapons use and the laws governing self defense. I also have years of experience with military weapons. YOu have no experience in any of the relevant areas. So its akin to a cro magnon saying one doctor knows more about radiation oncology compared to another

btw lets get back on topic

you need to justify your silly claims that having a gun did not make the DA safer.



What Jerry, and police enforcement know, that you didn't, is that a high capacity magazines were designed to limit the number of times a soldier has to reload, thereby limiting the times he becomes vulnerable while reloading.

This military design advantage is good for soldiers and law enforcement but not for criminals and the mentally deranged.
 
What Jerry, and police enforcement know, that you didn't, is that a high capacity magazines were designed to limit the number of times a soldier has to reload, thereby limiting the times he becomes vulnerable while reloading.

This military design advantage is good for soldiers and law enforcement but not for criminals and the mentally deranged.

yet weapons designed to inflict casualties with each trigger pull usually have small magazines-since those weapons are not designed to SUPPRESS MOVEMENT

I guess you think law abiding citizens are more like criminals than LE officers

its typical among the gun hating far wrong
 
yet weapons designed to inflict casualties with each trigger pull usually have small magazines-since those weapons are not designed to SUPPRESS MOVEMENT

I guess you think law abiding citizens are more like criminals than LE officers

its typical among the gun hating far wrong



Most soldiers prefer not to have to stop in reload when they are are risk of being taken out when they stop to reload. That is why high capacity magazines were developed for them.

Law enforcement, Mayors, and the majority of Americans do not believe we should provide that advantage to criminals and the mentally deranged.
 
Most soldiers prefer not to have to stop in reload when they are are risk of being taken out when they stop to reload. That is why high capacity magazines were developed for them.

Law enforcement, Mayors, and the majority of Americans do not believe we should provide that advantage to criminals and the mentally deranged.

you have any proof of that.

its illegal for criminals to own any weapons

why do you want law abiding citizens to be at a disadvantage against criminals

is it because you like lots of honest people being killed so you can use their blood to fuel your hatred of gun owners?

you seem to labor under the delusion that banning citizens from having effective self defense weapons will deprive criminals. even you cannot believe that stupidity

and what does this have to do with the Dead DA. what does magazine capacity have to do with his death? its a capital crime to kill a DA I guess the law didn't keep him alive
 
you have any proof of that.

Proof of what, I made several points.

its illegal for criminals to own any weapons

Criminals can walk into a gun show in 40 states and buy guns for cash, no questions asked.

why do you want law abiding citizens to be at a disadvantage against criminals

Why do you think you don't have to have a tank to protect yourself from others with a tank?


what does magazine capacity have to do with his death? its a capital crime to kill a DA I guess the law didn't keep him alive

It was reported the killer used an AR-15 and that there were a lot of 223 spent cartridges and dead bodies. And the DA and his wife, had stated they were staying well armed and on ready.
 
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