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Texas DA, wife killed -- 2 months after his deputy is gunned down [W:627]

It doesn't suprise me that you'd say this. White supremacist groups always also promote conservative talking points involving xenophobia, scapegoating, anti-immigration, anti-welfare, anti-science, anti-modernism, and anti-democratic government. So I can see why you want to pretend otherwise.

remind me what your posts consist of. I don't blame most liberals for the stuff you post. Blaming the conservative movement for the whack jobs like the AB or WAR is just plain stupid.
 
A blogger is as close as you could come to an academic study eh? :lamo

This is all you need to know. End thread.



The Heartland Institute

Gun Control in Chicago: A Case Study

The City of Chicago has one of the nation's most restrictive gun control laws. Since April 1982 it has been illegal to purchase or register any handgun within the city. At the time Chicago's law was passed, then-Mayor Jane Byrne touted it as an anti-crime measure. How has her claim fared through the past dozen years?

A review of the Chicago Murder Analyses from 1965 to 1992 provides information on this question. The Murder Analyses are compiled annually by the Chicago Police Department, offering painstaking detail about the number of murders committed in the City of Chicago, the types of weapons used in those murders, the age of offenders and victims, and much more.

Figure 1 shows the number of murders in the City of Chicago between 1965 (seventeen years before the city's gun control law was enacted) and 1992 (ten years after gun control). Between 1965 and 1974 there was a steady increase in the number of murders, with 1972 being the only exception. Between 1974 and 1990, the number of murders stayed within a reasonably narrow range, with a fairly dramatic fall in--1982 the year gun control was passed. Just five years later, in 1987, the number of murders in the city began to climb steadily. Indeed, by gun control's tenth anniversary, the number of murders in the city was back where it had been a decade before gun control.

Figures 2 and 3 narrow the analysis to include only firearms (Figure 2) and handguns (Figure 3). The two figures closely track Figure 1: steady increase until 1974; stabilization until 1981; stabilization again at a lower level for five years; and then a steady increase beginning in 1989.

What all three graphs show is that the number of murders ebbs and flows with little apparent respect for gun control laws. The national gun control act of 1968 appears to have had little effect on murders with firearms in Chicago: The number of murders committed with handguns rose dramatically in the years following its passage. The number of murders with handguns was falling in Chicago before passage of the city's 1982 gun control law. That year, the number of murders fell precipitously. Was this evidence of the gun control law working? If so, upon what theory? Were there suddenly fewer guns in circulation? Were criminals, heedless of the state's murder laws before the city passed its ordinance, more careful once handgun possession became a misdemeanor? Then what?

Then perhaps nothing. After all, the national murder rates rose very rapidly from the mid-1960s through 1979, and then began falling. Through most of the 1980s national murder rates declined, as did the rates in Chicago. Then in the late 1980s, national murder statistics began to trend up. Chicago's numbers did likewise. Currently, after thirteen years under a strict handgun ban, handgun murders and murders of all sorts are at record levels in the city.

In light of this record, calling for more, or yet-more-stringent, gun control laws begins to seem like neurotic behavior.
 
This is all you need to know. End thread.


The Heartland Institute is a conservative think tank, not an academy of higher learning.

Please try again!
 
"Kaufman County District Attorney Mike McLelland took no chances after one of his assistant prosecutors was gunned down two months ago. McLelland said he carried a gun everywhere he went and was extra careful when answering the door at his home."

Slain Texas DA slain had armed himself | Home | The Advocate — Baton Rouge, LA


Yet his guns didn't save him or his wife.

and Jim Fixx ran marathons and died of a heart attack

didn't you make this stupid argument before-and then you were shown how stupid it was

if someone plans to murder you with a gun are you better off disarmed or armed?
 
It doesn't suprise me that you'd say this. White supremacist groups always also promote conservative talking points involving xenophobia, scapegoating, anti-immigration, anti-welfare, anti-science, anti-modernism, and anti-democratic government. So I can see why you want to pretend otherwise.

wow...
 
The Heartland Institute is a conservative think tank, not an academy of higher learning.

Please try again!

Oh, please point out exactly what flaws you found in the study. It is STILL a valid study, whether or not you like the source doesn't matter. But just to humor you, here's another.

http://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/serials/files/cato-journal/2001/1/cj26n1-6.pdf

A number of studies from the 1970s and 1980s that do control for social and economic factors find no evidence of gun control reducing violent crime rates. Using regression analysis, state data, and a vector of social and economic variables, Murray (1975: 81) concludes that “gun control laws have no significant effect on rates of violence beyond what can be attributed to background social conditions.” In addition, he observes that“controlling for basic social factors, the data show that gun laws have no significant effect on access to firearms” and “differing rates of access to handguns had no significant effect on violent acts” (Murray 1975: 91). Lester and Murrell (1982: 131) did find that “states with stricter handgun laws in 1968 were shown to have lower suicide rates by firearms both in 1960 and 1970. These states also had higher suicide rates by ‘other means’.” According to the authors, their finding for 1960, well before the 1968 law, is troublesome because it castes doubt on any simple interpretation of the post-law 1970 results and suggests the desirability of constructing a more complete model that includes additional variables for explaining the variation in suicide rates across states. Finally, they observe, “No such effect of strict gun control laws was found for mortality from homicides by firearms” (Lester and Murrell 1982: 139).

Conclusion
Using state-level data and that for the District of Columbia, this study estimates both the impact of gun control on crime rates and the influence of crime rates on gun control. The measure of gun control adopted here is a comprehensive index, published by the Open Society Institute, covering 30 different facets of state gun laws, enforcement effort, and the stringency of local gun ordinances. The index weights upstream measures such as gun registration more heavily than downstream measures such as safe storage laws. It also weights regulations governing handguns more heavily than those on long guns. Using a vector of demographic, economic, and law enforcement control variables, the empirical analysis presented here provides no support for the contention that gun control reduces crime rates. In none of the regressions for the 10 categories of crime rates in 1999 and the 10 for 2001 is the measure of gun control statistically significant. The article tests another hypothesis, namely, that lax gun control laws in neighboring states undermine the effectiveness of state gun laws. It finds no support for this hypothesis. The proxy for neighboring state gun control is never significant in any of the 20 regressions estimated. By contrast, the article provides empirical support for the idea that high crime rates generate political support for the adoption on more stringent gun controls. Moreover, there is empirical evidence that the probability of adopting more gun regulations is positively related to the proportion of Democrats in the state legislature. The findings of this study that gun control is ineffective in reducing crime rates are consistent with the vast majority of other studies that use state data.
 
"Kaufman County District Attorney Mike McLelland took no chances after one of his assistant prosecutors was gunned down two months ago. McLelland said he carried a gun everywhere he went and was extra careful when answering the door at his home."

Slain Texas DA slain had armed himself | Home | The Advocate — Baton Rouge, LA


Yet his guns didn't save him or his wife.

you are actually the first person i've met that believe having a gun is a guarantee that one won't be victimized.

what an odd belief.
 
Oh, please point out exactly what flaws you found in the study. It is STILL a valid study, whether or not you like the source doesn't matter. But just to humor you, here's another.

http://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/serials/files/cato-journal/2001/1/cj26n1-6.pdf

A number of studies from the 1970s and 1980s that do control for social and economic factors find no evidence of gun control reducing violent crime rates. Using regression analysis, state data, and a vector of social and economic variables, Murray (1975: 81) concludes that “gun control laws have no significant effect on rates of violence beyond what can be attributed to background social conditions.” In addition, he observes that“controlling for basic social factors, the data show that gun laws have no significant effect on access to firearms” and “differing rates of access to handguns had no significant effect on violent acts” (Murray 1975: 91). Lester and Murrell (1982: 131) did find that “states with stricter handgun laws in 1968 were shown to have lower suicide rates by firearms both in 1960 and 1970. These states also had higher suicide rates by ‘other means’.” According to the authors, their finding for 1960, well before the 1968 law, is troublesome because it castes doubt on any simple interpretation of the post-law 1970 results and suggests the desirability of constructing a more complete model that includes additional variables for explaining the variation in suicide rates across states. Finally, they observe, “No such effect of strict gun control laws was found for mortality from homicides by firearms” (Lester and Murrell 1982: 139).

Conclusion
Using state-level data and that for the District of Columbia, this study estimates both the impact of gun control on crime rates and the influence of crime rates on gun control. The measure of gun control adopted here is a comprehensive index, published by the Open Society Institute, covering 30 different facets of state gun laws, enforcement effort, and the stringency of local gun ordinances. The index weights upstream measures such as gun registration more heavily than downstream measures such as safe storage laws. It also weights regulations governing handguns more heavily than those on long guns. Using a vector of demographic, economic, and law enforcement control variables, the empirical analysis presented here provides no support for the contention that gun control reduces crime rates. In none of the regressions for the 10 categories of crime rates in 1999 and the 10 for 2001 is the measure of gun control statistically significant. The article tests another hypothesis, namely, that lax gun control laws in neighboring states undermine the effectiveness of state gun laws. It finds no support for this hypothesis. The proxy for neighboring state gun control is never significant in any of the 20 regressions estimated. By contrast, the article provides empirical support for the idea that high crime rates generate political support for the adoption on more stringent gun controls. Moreover, there is empirical evidence that the probability of adopting more gun regulations is positively related to the proportion of Democrats in the state legislature. The findings of this study that gun control is ineffective in reducing crime rates are consistent with the vast majority of other studies that use state data.

you are wasting your time.... he's a true believer ... information contrary to his beliefs is summarily dismissed without consideration.
 
BTW Cat, just to educate you, the first link I posted was statistics and not a study. Perhaps you should actually read the links and their contents before you just dismiss them. Obviously you don't want to LEARN about the issue. You just want to continue on with your good-for-nothing agenda. :shrug: It's pretty pathetic when someone just dismisses valid data and studies because it disagrees with his agenda and proves that the measures he wants to take do NOT work.
 
you are wasting your time.... he's a true believer ... information contrary to his beliefs is summarily dismissed without consideration.

LOL! I was just thinking the exact same thing. He might as well stick his fingers in his ears and yell "LA, LA, LA, LA."
 
A prison gang that was all-inclusive, accepting gays, straights, blacks, whites and Latinos would be Left leaning. Yes. If they began demanding the right to marry and eat vegan, then they'd be a bit further Left. Once they create a manifesto declaring equality for all and forced the prison recycle and put the power grid on Green energy, they would be Far Left.

awesome.... you are now arguing that every gang and criminal organization ,outside of ELF/ALF, in existence in this country are.... right wingers.

congratulations.
 
Anyone who would attribute racism to the Tea Party is a complete and utter moron. It's about taxes, not racism. Good Lord some people are just beyond dumb and ignorant. There are jerks associated with every movement; that doesn't speak for the entire movement though. Anyone with even HALF a brain would be able to figure that out.
 
awesome.... you are now arguing that every gang and criminal organization ,outside of ELF/ALF, in existence in this country are.... right wingers.

congratulations.

Of course, that is what they resort to when they are losing the gun control argument. :lamo All they have left is to yell racism or right-wing nut jobs. Yup, they are REAL originals.
 
Anyone who would attribute racism to the Tea Party is a complete and utter moron. It's about taxes, not racism. Good Lord some people are just beyond dumb and ignorant. There are jerks associated with every movement; that doesn't speak for the entire movement though. Anyone with even HALF a brain would be able to figure that out.

some liberals operate under the delusion that if you are against having the government take more and more of your wealth it is ONLY because you don't want your tax dollars paying for welfare for blacks. They assume you have no problem paying for 5000 dollar toilet seats in the pentagon or the DHS buying up enough ammo to fight 3 World War IIs again.
 
awesome.... you are now arguing that every gang and criminal organization ,outside of ELF/ALF, in existence in this country are.... right wingers.

congratulations.
I was mocking our friends who insist on calling the AB Right Wing.
 
some liberals operate under the delusion that if you are against having the government take more and more of your wealth it is ONLY because you don't want your tax dollars paying for welfare for blacks. They assume you have no problem paying for 5000 dollar toilet seats in the pentagon or the DHS buying up enough ammo to fight 3 World War IIs again.

You would think that everyone would stand behind the idea of less government waste. :confused: I can't understand where this love for the government comes from. I honestly find it puzzling.
 
yup. the Tea party... known for it's violence, racism, and authoritarianism.


this is a very enlightening conversation.
it's nice to see what left wingers really think about their fellow right wing and conservative fellow citizens....very .... enlightening.

I know, because the Tea Party people are extremely scary and threatening. :lol:

Oh, what's this, a black Tea Party member? OMG, he MUST be a racist.

tea_party_912dc_12_blowing_mad_money.jpg
 
You don't suppose it has anything to do with the fact that they don't promote racial superiority, do you?

It's not enough to call them RW, but its enough for a scared white boy who is outnumbered all throughout the prison system to join the gang.
 
Of course, that is what they resort to when they are losing the gun control argument. :lamo All they have left is to yell racism or right-wing nut jobs. Yup, they are REAL originals.

they actually believe the things they yell.....that's the scary part.
 
they actually believe the things they yell.....that's the scary part.

Do they really? I'm not sure. Could people actually BE that stupid?
 
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