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    re: Barack Obama: 'Work still to be done in Northern Ireland'[W:51]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    The United States was a valued partner of peace by the perceptions of both the Northern Irish and the British governments.
    And yet the Northern Irish and the British couldn't settle this on their own?

    It seems condescending to believe that somehow the US should intervene in other countries when most could handle their own domestic affairs by themselves.
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    re: Barack Obama: 'Work still to be done in Northern Ireland'[W:51]

    Quote Originally Posted by Samira View Post
    He is sticking his nose in this affair by allowing the US government to be a so-called "partner" and commenting as if the US government has some justification for being there when, instead, he and every other interfering US politician should back off and let the British settle the issue.
    I guess my simple question will just continue to go unanswered while you guys just continue to throw the accusation and not back it up with any evidence.
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    re: Barack Obama: 'Work still to be done in Northern Ireland'[W:51]

    Quote Originally Posted by Samira View Post
    And yet the Northern Irish and the British couldn't settle this on their own?

    It seems condescending to believe that somehow the US should intervene in other countries when most could handle their own domestic affairs by themselves.
    Okay, let's get to the basics. In international negotiations, there are frequently, many different countries that attempt to help facilitate talks between disputing nations. The nations aren't forced to engage in these talks. They have to do so willingly. This is one instrument commonly used around the world to stabilize situations, and it is not just the United States that does this. An enormous number of nations do this. The United States, though frequently with interests in a given outcome, is still frequently seen by participating nations as a desired partner in facilitating a negotiation process between two or more parties.

    This is not condescending. It is simple international diplomacy.
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    re: Barack Obama: 'Work still to be done in Northern Ireland'[W:51]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Okay, let's get to the basics. In international negotiations, there are frequently, many different countries that attempt to help facilitate talks between disputing nations. This is one instrument commonly used around the world to stabilize situations, and it is not just the United States that does this. An enormous number of nations do this. The United States, though frequently with interests in a given outcome, is still frequently seen by participating nations as a desired partner in facilitating a negotiation process between two or more parties.

    This is not condescending. It is simple international diplomacy.
    It don't care if other governments involve themselves in other government's affairs, I just see it as nothing more than arrogance and condescension for the US government to assume that somehow it must involve itself. It doesn't just stop there, it continues in the Middle East, Asia, Africa, etc.

    Keep supporting a meddling foreign policy but don't be surprised if you witness so much worldwide anti-US sentiment.
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    re: Barack Obama: 'Work still to be done in Northern Ireland'[W:51]

    Quote Originally Posted by Samira View Post
    It don't care if other governments involve themselves in other government's affairs, I just see it as nothing more than arrogance and condescension for the US government to assume that somehow it must involve itself. It doesn't just stop there, it continues in the Middle East, Asia, Africa, etc.

    Keep supporting a meddling foreign policy but don't be surprised if you witness so much worldwide anti-US sentiment.
    How is it arrogance if the United States is constantly seen as a needed party for diplomatic talks among a number of international disputes? All you're saying is that even if these people want another party to oversee the process to let them settle their differences you see it as arrogance. It's not. It's diplomacy. If you have a problem with that, then I hate to say this, you have absolutely no idea what you're going on about.
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    re: Barack Obama: 'Work still to be done in Northern Ireland'[W:51]

    Quote Originally Posted by hfd View Post
    I'm inclined to think he should do more about the national debt and be less concerned about Ireland. I know I am.
    The national debt is not a problem; its deficits and the economy that are the problem. Fix the economy you go a long way to fixing the deficits. Fix the deficits and the debt will quickly be quite manageable.

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    re: Barack Obama: 'Work still to be done in Northern Ireland'[W:51]

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    re: Barack Obama: 'Work still to be done in Northern Ireland'[W:51]

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    And I'm simply asking you to show what he did. Prove that he put his nose in business where it doesn't belong. Why are you guys throwing such big confident stones while dodging this simple pebble of a question?
    No, you've now changed the question. If you read the link you'll find the anwser you're looking for. I'm not dodging anything I'm just not gonna be bullied into answering a question about a statement I did not make.

    To answer an unasked question, Clinton should have minded his own business too.

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    re: Barack Obama: 'Work still to be done in Northern Ireland'[W:51]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    what are the chances of Scotland splitting?
    I would say 30 to 40% with the majority against splitting.

    It's to do with the mixture of economic risks associated with independence and the SNP failing to do enough to put their arguments over to the general public.

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    re: Barack Obama: 'Work still to be done in Northern Ireland'[W:51]

    Quote Originally Posted by Samira View Post
    Is sending billions of dollars in financial and military assistance to the Israel govt and politically supporting the Israeli govt on nearly everything not something that would enrage many Muslims and pro-Palestinian people worldwide? Is that your idea of "peace"?

    Does peace include the US government maintaining a massive arsenal of nuclear weapons while demanding that other governments not develop any?
    If you don't mind me asking, are you Muslim?

    And a second question: who are these world-wide ~"US haters, justified in their hate" that you speak of?
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