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    Re: N. Korea threats raise concern Kim backing regime into corner

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    And there is nothing we could do to prevent massive casualties.
    Kill the leadership, take out communications, and at the same time destroy nearly all of their artillery in the first strike. South Korea should also be building an iron dome.

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    Re: N. Korea threats raise concern Kim backing regime into corner

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    Kill the leadership, take out communications, and at the same time destroy nearly all of their artillery in the first strike. South Korea should also be building an iron dome.
    1. Iron Dome only works against a very small number of missiles. It would do nothing against the barrage the DPRK could send at them.
    2. The US will not make a first strike. First strike will be the DPRK. If that first strike is a concerted effort at Seoul, that city will suffer devestating damage, before the US bombed the DPRK into the stone age.
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    Re: N. Korea threats raise concern Kim backing regime into corner

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    1. Iron Dome only works against a very small number of missiles. It would do nothing against the barrage the DPRK could send at them.
    2. The US will not make a first strike. First strike will be the DPRK. If that first strike is a concerted effort at Seoul, that city will suffer devestating damage, before the US bombed the DPRK into the stone age.
    Not necessarily. South Korea has drifted towards pre-emption.

    Strike first if you suspect that the North will attack, Seoul tells generals

    South Korea vowed yesterday that it would launch a pre-emptive attack against any imminent threat of nuclear or missile attack from North Korea, as the quarrel between the two enemies escalated.

    The counter-threat, by the South’s new president, Park Geun Hye, and her defence minister, came after days of intensifying verbal menaces from North Korea and as the country’s puppet parliament, the Supreme People’s Assembly, met in the capital, Pyongyang.

    “The reason for the military’s existence is to protect the country and the people from threats,” President Park said at South Korea’s defence ministry. “If any provocations happen against our people and our country, it should respond powerfully in the early stage without any political considerations.”

    Ms Park has already authorised her commanders to respond immediately to North Korean provocation without prior consultation with the Government. “As commander-in-chief of the armed forces, I will trust the military’s judgment on abrupt and surprise provocations by North Korea, as it is the one that directly faces off against the North,” she said. “Please carry out your duty of guarding the safety of the people without getting distracted even a bit.”

    Her defence minister, Kim Kwan Jin, made explicit the threat of pre-emptive retaliation if Pyongyang carried out its threat to use missiles or nuclear warheads against the South. “We will . . . establish a so-called ‘active deterrence’ aimed at neutralising the North’s nuclear and missile threats quickly.”

    After the deployment of B2 stealth bombers last week, the US on Sunday sent F22 stealth fighter jets to take part in the extensive annual military exercises that the US and South Korea are presently conducting.

    North Korea routinely denounces the exercises, codenamed Foal Eagle — but the level of verbal ferocity this year has reached levels unusual even by its own high standards.

    After United Nations condemnation of its third nuclear test in February, the Government of the young leader, Kim Jong Un, has renounced the armistice that brought an end to the Korean War, cut off its hotlines with Seoul and threatened nuclear missile attack against the US mainland — a feat that foreign analysts agree is impossible, given the North’s existing levels of missile technology. On Saturday, the state media announced that North Korea was in a “state of war” as a result of the military exercises — although South Korea has not reported unusual military activity. Despite the headlines they have created around the world, the announcement did not lead North Korean television news.

    Perhaps the strongest indication that Pyongyang is not ready for a complete breakdown in relations is its failure to interfere with the operation of a join industrial zone in the North Korean city of Kaesong, a source of valuable income for the impoverished regime.

    “If the puppet traitor group continues to mention the Kaesong industrial zone is being kept operating and damages our dignity, it will be mercilessly shut off and shut down,” a statement on the state-run Korean Central News Agency said. But yesterday South Korean workers commuted across the border as usual.

    Pyongyang knows that an attack on the US or its troops in the South would provoke a massive response that would overwhelm its huge, but ill-equipped, army and destroy Mr Kim’s Government. Much more likely is a smaller, surprise attack on South Korea of the kind that Pyongyang has got away with in the past.

    Three years ago, 46 South Korean sailors died after the naval ship Cheonan was struck by what Seoul insists was a North Korean submarine-launched torpedo. Later in 2010 a North Korean artillery barrage killed four people on an island close to the sea border with the North.

    Apart from brief retaliatory shelling of the artillery positions, the South made no military response to these attacks, and the South Korean president at the time, Lee Myung Bak, was widely criticised for displaying weakness. Ms Park, like her predecessor a political conservative, will not want to follow his example.

    Yesterday in Pyongyang, North Korea convened the Supreme People’s Assembly, a notional parliament that does nothing more than publicly endorse decisions of the inner leadership. It appointed as premier Pak Pong Ju, who has a reputation as a reformer by North Korean standards.

    He last held the post between 2003 and 2007 and oversaw a partial liberalisation of North Korea’s state-controlled farms.
    Strike first if you suspect that the North will attack, Seoul tells generals | The Times

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    Re: N. Korea threats raise concern Kim backing regime into corner

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    Not necessarily. South Korea has drifted towards pre-emption.



    Strike first if you suspect that the North will attack, Seoul tells generals | The Times
    Would love to believe they would do it, but I doubt they would. And even if they did, the ROK doesn't have the weapons to destroy the missile launchers quickly enough to prevent a highly destructive barrage on Seoul. And this could be dangerous as I expect the DPRK will only make another very limited attack. However, some trigger happy general could make a snap decision and regard it as a part of a larger attack. This makes the situation even more dangerous than it already is.
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    Re: N. Korea threats raise concern Kim backing regime into corner

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    1. Iron Dome only works against a very small number of missiles. It would do nothing against the barrage the DPRK could send at them.
    2. The US will not make a first strike. First strike will be the DPRK. If that first strike is a concerted effort at Seoul, that city will suffer devestating damage, before the US bombed the DPRK into the stone age.
    Reagardless there is plenty that could be done. And theres other technologies besides Iron Dome that could be used to shoot down artillery. Our ships have some of them. Its just a matter of effort. Perhaps ROK should be doing something to encourage people to move away from Soeul.

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    Re: N. Korea threats raise concern Kim backing regime into corner

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Reagardless there is plenty that could be done. And theres other technologies besides Iron Dome that could be used to shoot down artillery. Our ships have some of them. Its just a matter of effort. Perhaps ROK should be doing something to encourage people to move away from Soeul.
    They have toyed with the idea of moving the national capital southward for some time. Seoul is hardly an historical center of the country (P'yongyang is much more a historical center than Seoul is) but the cost of making the move has often been cited as why they haven't done it.
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    Re: N. Korea threats raise concern Kim backing regime into corner

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    They have toyed with the idea of moving the national capital southward for some time. Seoul is hardly an historical center of the country (P'yongyang is much more a historical center than Seoul is) but the cost of making the move has often been cited as why they haven't done it.
    In any case, they have to do something. THey cant be living under this threat for another 50 years. And the US shouldnt have to deal with it for another 50 years. Assasinate Kim Jong Un if you have to and whoever replaced him, until someone who isnt crazy steps in.

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    Re: N. Korea threats raise concern Kim backing regime into corner

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Kill the leadership, take out communications, and at the same time destroy nearly all of their artillery in the first strike. South Korea should also be building an iron dome.
    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    In any case, they have to do something. THey cant be living under this threat for another 50 years. And the US shouldnt have to deal with it for another 50 years. Assasinate Kim Jong Un if you have to and whoever replaced him, until someone who isnt crazy steps in.
    You watch waaaaaaaaay to many action movies. This is real life, not "Die Hard" or "James Bond". None of those things would work without killing hundreds of thousands of South Koreans in the process.

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    Re: N. Korea threats raise concern Kim backing regime into corner

    The thing is, how does that little lunatic back down and still save face among his Countrymen/subjects after giving the go ahead for a pre-preemptive nuclear strike ? And my next question is has North Korea built a fusion bomb ?
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    Rep. Peter King: US could make preemptive strike on North Korea

    Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.) said Tuesday that the United States had the right to take preemptive military action against North Korea if there was "solid evidence" that Kim Jon Un planned to attack the U.S. or South Korea.

    "If we have good reason to believe there's going to be an attack, I believe we have the right to take preemptive action," King said on CNN's "Erin Burnett Outfront."

    "I don't think we have to wait until Americans are killed or wounded or injured in any way," he continued. "I'm not saying we should be rushing into war, don't get me wrong, but if we have solid evidence that North Korea's going to take action, then I think we have a moral obligation and an absolute right to defend ourselves."

    Tensions in the region have deteriorated in recent weeks, with Pyongyang announcing Wednesday that it had barred South Korean workers from a jointly run industrial zone on the border between the two countries. That announcement came just a day after officials declared their intention to restart a shuttered nuclear reactor. North Korea has escalated tensions in recent weeks, declaring a "state of war" against South Korea and threatening to attack the United States.

    North Korea's actions are thought to be driven by additional United Nations sanctions that resulted from its recent nuclear test. The United States has responded to Pyongyang's posturing with a series of military drills in the region, as well as a repositioning of naval ships in waters off the Korean peninsula.
    Rep. Peter King: US could make preemptive strike on North Korea - The Hill's Video

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