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    Re: TIME Magazine Features Two Covers, Two Couples, Declares ‘Gay Marriage Already Wo

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    Well there you go. I'm just all inspired to step up to the plate at your command.

    I think I'm going to opt out, and leave you to wonder...
    In other words, as we all already knew, you got squat.

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    Re: TIME Magazine Features Two Covers, Two Couples, Declares ‘Gay Marriage Already Wo

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Every legal challenge cannot address every possible contingent. Saying that the civil rights movement was invalid because it didn't address every conceivable set of civil rights for every possible group of people is silly. Yes, gay marriage is about gay marriage. So what?
    The thing is, polygamy is conceivable, yet is still being left out. This means ssm is not a 'marriage equality' movement.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I'm fine with all of those things too, assuming we work out the potential legal issues beforehand. I have no problem with polygamy, but it does carry a lot of potential problems that are not currently dealt with in the law. We need to figure out how inheritance, divorce, child custody, etc. would work with a polygamous marriage and if we can do so, let them get married too.
    It's less complicated than Obama'Care or the assault weapons ban, so if we can do those, we can do polygamy.

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    Re: TIME Magazine Features Two Covers, Two Couples, Declares ‘Gay Marriage Already Wo

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    I don't care what they call it personally. I am of the firm belief that either the government gets out of it altogether (straight or gay) or they can't deny rights for any couple if they choose to recognize it.
    But you've already said you don't want the government to get out of it, you still want something by which the government provides rights and benefits! If you wanted the government to get out of it completely, you wouldn't want civil unions either!
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    Re: TIME Magazine Features Two Covers, Two Couples, Declares ‘Gay Marriage Already Wo

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Since when do we allow the civil rights of a minority be dependent upon a vote of the people?
    Nice strawman. Since when did my comment have anything to do with that assertoin? My comment was just relating to the story in the OP's assertion that the notion of gay marriage already "won" by winning over the view of the american public. Read the words that are written, not the ones you bigotedly imagine are present when you see some elephants to the left of the persons post.

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    Re: TIME Magazine Features Two Covers, Two Couples, Declares ‘Gay Marriage Already Wo

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    What difference does it make what you call it? If you called it a civil union, then the anti-gay people would only want civil unions for straight couples. This isn't about a word, and for those people who only care about a word, you're fricking idiots, it's about demanding rights only for straight people and denying them to gays.
    True to a tee.....the same vocal anti-gay marriage people were also anti-civil union until gay marriage became a real possibility. Suddenly...a number of them became pro-civil union.
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    Re: TIME Magazine Features Two Covers, Two Couples, Declares ‘Gay Marriage Already Wo

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Nice strawman. Since when did my comment have anything to do with that assertoin? My comment was just relating to the story in the OP's assertion that the notion of gay marriage already "won" by winning over the view of the american public.
    and it absolutely has. There is no question that gay marriage is going to be the law of the land, whether by Supreme Court ruling or at the ballot box. That is the cruxt of the article.
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    Re: TIME Magazine Features Two Covers, Two Couples, Declares ‘Gay Marriage Already Wo

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    Many religions already require this marital counseling (the personal aspect of it) already. I know, i had to sit through it.
    But the state does not, and that's the problem, because it's a state license and not everyone is in your religion.

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    Re: TIME Magazine Features Two Covers, Two Couples, Declares ‘Gay Marriage Already Wo

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The thing is, polygamy is conceivable, yet is still being left out. This means ssm is not a 'marriage equality' movement.
    I don't think it's being left out, I think it's a separate issue and really needs to be, based on the huge amount of existing case law that needs to be reviewed and resolved. Allowing polygamous marriage without first handling the inherent problems associated therein will just clog the courts for decades to come. We need to decide how to handle these issues FIRST, then let them get married.

    Of course, there doesn't seem to be a very large contingent of polygamists who are vocally speaking out for polygamous marriage, that could have a lot to do with it as well. Don't blame the gays when the polygamists aren't making it an issue.

    It's less complicated than Obama'Care or the assault weapons ban, so if we can do those, we can do polygamy.
    I agree that we can. Go ahead and get the ball rolling.
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    Re: TIME Magazine Features Two Covers, Two Couples, Declares ‘Gay Marriage Already Wo

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Which is fine, but there's a lot of people who don't do that, they want to deny gay people the same rights and benefits that straight people have always enjoyed, in exactly the same way that many whites used to want to deny black people the same rights and benefits.



    Actually, most people don't care, so long as the SAME WORD is used for everyone. It's the same act, it has the same rights, it has the same benefits, what is your rationale for using different words to refer to the same thing? We already have a perfectly serviceable word for it, you make a case for why there ought to be different words.
    I don't need to make a case for the word, voters and others have already done that. Why did the people of California vote to change the state Constitution to protect the definition of the word?

    There is example after example of people all across the country, religious and agnostic, who have made it very clear they want the meaning of the word "marriage" to remain the same as it has always been.

    I'm interested in the rights, and not the word.

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    Re: TIME Magazine Features Two Covers, Two Couples, Declares ‘Gay Marriage Already Wo

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    But the state does not, and that's the problem, because it's a state license and not everyone is in your religion.
    Even IF the state mandated all married couples go though this counseling, what would be different today? Probably not much. Divorce rate would hover probably where it's at now. I say this because many people are married though the church now and are required to go though the counseling already, and look at the high divorce rate now?
    Counseling wont work.

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