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    Re: 'Monsanto Protection Act': 5 Terrifying Things To Know About The HR 933 Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I eat lots of veggies too. How can we be sure what we eat is safe and not involved with Monsanto? If it's certified organic?

    This is bull****. Eating vegetables is supposed to be healthy, its not a health concern.
    Genetically Modified seeds can be organic since organic refers to how they were grown. Grow your own or role the dice. Processed foods are full of GM material too. It is not nearly as evil a thing as people want you to believe. Hybrid seeds are why 2% feed the 98%.

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    Re: 'Monsanto Protection Act': 5 Terrifying Things To Know About The HR 933 Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Monstanto didn't kill anyone. Did you read the link?

    It was the us Government who was spraying agent orange, not Monsanto.

    Read your own link!
    Not seeming like there isnt much of a difference between the two. Monsanto is paying the gov't to do what they are told, they are funding medical publications ect. I may sound like a conspiracy theorist (which I am not usually) but this one appears to be spot on. They even got people on the supreme court, in the FDA, the USDA and more. The people that are in place to ensure that Monsanto is acting appropriately, playing fair, ect are all on their payroll.

    i believe it is more than just a coincidence that we have seen a rise in diseases, conditions, allergies, ect and it continues to climb as we alter our food.

    Also, reading through here you seem to be really down on organic food. Not one thing you have stated is actually an attack on organic food. Even if the headline says so. There is absolutely nothing, NOTHING unsafe about organic food. The problem with organic foods are, and yes i understand the contradictory nature of this statement, they are being altered. Some altered seeds are fine, some pesticides are fine, nothing regulates what they are grown in ect. Furthermore, most of the problem you see with organic food or the fake organic food is the handling process, or the sanitary conditions of the places it is being grown or cut. Not the food itself. Pointing out 40 cases of e coli linked to organic food is virtually nothing.

    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reports about 70,000 cases of this type of E. coli infection occur in the United States each year.
    70,000 cases in the US. Even though the 40 you found were in Europe, not in the US, that accounts for far less than 1% of total cases in the US, let alone in the world. E coli does not appear naturally in vegetables.
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    Re: 'Monsanto Protection Act': 5 Terrifying Things To Know About The HR 933 Provision

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    i believe it is more than just a coincidence that we have seen a rise in diseases, conditions, allergies, ect and it continues to climb as we alter our food.
    What you are seeing is a lowering of diseases and increasing life spans, a lot of which are due to science and food technology. Certainly there might be an increase in some diseases, such as schizophrenia for example, but that is the result of people living longer, not the result of poisoned seeds.
    Also, reading through here you seem to be really down on organic food.
    I wouldn't eat it unless I grow it myself, and i do grow many fruits because at the moment im living in a tropical climate. I know that the surrounding area is clean.
    Not one thing you have stated is actually an attack on organic food. Even if the headline says so. There is absolutely nothing, NOTHING unsafe about organic food.
    there is a problem with E.coli, and that has been well documented.
    The problem with organic foods are, and yes i understand the contradictory nature of this statement, they are being altered. Some altered seeds are fine, some pesticides are fine, nothing regulates what they are grown in ect. Furthermore, most of the problem you see with organic food or the fake organic food is the handling process, or the sanitary conditions of the places it is being grown or cut. Not the food itself. Pointing out 40 cases of e coli linked to organic food is virtually nothing.
    Yes, those are the problems with organic foods and people died as a result of those problems. There have been far more than 40 cases, by the way.
    70,000 cases in the US. Even though the 40 you found were in Europe, not in the US, that accounts for far less than 1% of total cases in the US, let alone in the world. E coli does not appear naturally in vegetables.
    These problems have been discovered in several areas of the world. But, as mentioned, eat all the organic food you want. Just think twice before feeding it to your children. Some of it will never be clean no matter how often you wash it.

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    Re: 'Monsanto Protection Act': 5 Terrifying Things To Know About The HR 933 Provision

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    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post


    What you are seeing is a lowering of diseases and increasing life spans, a lot of which are due to science and food technology. Certainly there might be an increase in some diseases, such as schizophrenia for example, but that is the result of people living longer, not the result of poisoned seeds.


    I wouldn't eat it unless I grow it myself, and i do grow many fruits because at the moment im living in a tropical climate. I know that the surrounding area is clean.


    there is a problem with E.coli, and that has been well documented.


    Yes, those are the problems with organic foods and people died as a result of those problems. There have been far more than 40 cases, by the way.


    These problems have been discovered in several areas of the world. But, as mentioned, eat all the organic food you want. Just think twice before feeding it to your children. Some of it will never be clean no matter how often you wash it.
    That is almost entirely untrue. But specifically look at this statement you made.

    What you are seeing is a lowering of diseases and increasing life spans, a lot of which are due to science and food technology. Certainly there might be an increase in some diseases, such as schizophrenia for example, but that is the result of people living longer, not the result of poisoned seeds.
    I am not going to post the links but how about you start with some of these:

    https://www.google.com/#hl=en&gs_rn=...w=1320&bih=791

    https://www.google.com/#hl=en&gs_rn=...w=1320&bih=791

    https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclien...w=1320&bih=791

    https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclien...w=1320&bih=791

    https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclien...w=1320&bih=791

    While it is true that many people are living longer it is not due to those modified and processed foods. It is largely due to science and the ability to identify and treat diseases that used to be deadly. If you were to combine proper nutrition and much less of the modified and processed foods that people are eating and combine that with the advancements we have made in fighting disease we could not only live longer, but have much better quality of lives. Instead we are allowing corporations free passes to manipulate us for profit lowering our quality of life and our life spans.
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    Re: 'Monsanto Protection Act': 5 Terrifying Things To Know About The HR 933 Provision

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post

    That is almost entirely untrue. But specifically look at this statement you made.



    I am not going to post the links but how about you start with some of these:

    https://www.google.com/#hl=en&gs_rn=...w=1320&bih=791

    https://www.google.com/#hl=en&gs_rn=...w=1320&bih=791

    https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclien...w=1320&bih=791

    https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclien...w=1320&bih=791

    https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclien...w=1320&bih=791

    While it is true that many people are living longer it is not due to those modified and processed foods. It is largely due to science and the ability to identify and treat diseases that used to be deadly. If you were to combine proper nutrition and much less of the modified and processed foods that people are eating and combine that with the advancements we have made in fighting disease we could not only live longer, but have much better quality of lives. Instead we are allowing corporations free passes to manipulate us for profit lowering our quality of life and our life spans.
    The biggest factor in increasing life spans is sanitation, particularly clean water.

    And the biggest cause of E Coli in our food?.......unsanitory conditions.
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    Re: 'Monsanto Protection Act': 5 Terrifying Things To Know About The HR 933 Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Genetically Modified seeds can be organic since organic refers to how they were grown. Grow your own or role the dice. Processed foods are full of GM material too. It is not nearly as evil a thing as people want you to believe. Hybrid seeds are why 2% feed the 98%.
    Actually, to be truly certified organic, it goes back several generations not only on the plant the seeds were harvested from, if it was close pollination or open, the soil they were grown in and how they were treated for pests and diseases.
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    Re: 'Monsanto Protection Act': 5 Terrifying Things To Know About The HR 933 Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    This is incredibly disturbing.






    Look at that, democrats and republicans can work together for the benefit of huge corporations with complete disregard for public safety.

    'Monsanto Protection Act': 5 Terrifying Things To Know About The HR 933 Provision
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    Re: 'Monsanto Protection Act': 5 Terrifying Things To Know About The HR 933 Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post

    That is almost entirely untrue. But specifically look at this statement you made.



    I am not going to post the links but how about you start with some of these:

    https://www.google.com/#hl=en&gs_rn=...w=1320&bih=791

    https://www.google.com/#hl=en&gs_rn=...w=1320&bih=791

    https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclien...w=1320&bih=791

    https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclien...w=1320&bih=791

    https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclien...w=1320&bih=791

    While it is true that many people are living longer it is not due to those modified and processed foods. It is largely due to science and the ability to identify and treat diseases that used to be deadly. If you were to combine proper nutrition and much less of the modified and processed foods that people are eating and combine that with the advancements we have made in fighting disease we could not only live longer, but have much better quality of lives. Instead we are allowing corporations free passes to manipulate us for profit lowering our quality of life and our life spans.
    You are talking here of conditions completely unrelated to Monsanto and organic foods. That children and their parents are not getting enough exercise is a given, and naturally respiratory and heart problems will result.

    yes, science has certainly advanced in fighting diseases but food science has advanced also, with fewer people starving, increased crop sizes and necessary vitamins and minerals built right into the plant.

    Just google a food crop, such as advances in rice technology, and look at the advances made in disease resistance, healthier crops, crops for smaller farms, etc. Rice is one of the most common crops in the world and science has helped to advance its production dramatically, thereby securing healthier and more predictable outcomes.
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    Re: 'Monsanto Protection Act': 5 Terrifying Things To Know About The HR 933 Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    Actually, to be truly certified organic, it goes back several generations not only on the plant the seeds were harvested from, if it was close pollination or open, the soil they were grown in and how they were treated for pests and diseases.
    They have found seeds in ancient caves that might be 'organic; but even then no one can be sure. Changing the characteristics of plants, and animals, has been going on since man first walked the earth.

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    Re: 'Monsanto Protection Act': 5 Terrifying Things To Know About The HR 933 Provision

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    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post

    You are talking here of conditions completely unrelated to Monsanto and organic foods. That children and their parents are not getting enough exercise is a given, and naturally respiratory and heart problems will result.

    yes, science has certainly advanced in fighting diseases but food science has advanced also, with fewer people starving, increased crop sizes and necessary vitamins and minerals built right into the plant.

    Just google a food crop, such as advances in rice technology, and look at the advances made in disease resistance, healthier crops, crops for smaller farms, etc. Rice is one of the most common crops in the world and science has helped to advance its production dramatically, thereby securing healthier and more predictable outcomes.
    Yes, inactivity and poor parenting certainly play a role. I agree with you completely. However, just because there is a second problem does not mean we should ignore the first. Making food cheaper and more profitable is not the right way to go. It should be nutritious. It should be healthy. Not healthier fast food. But actually healthy. Our bodies do not simply need to eat and then hope science can keep us alive and feeling miserable. Our goal should be to live a long, healthy life and feel good about it. It does come back to Monsanto, and even though they are probably the largest of the bunch it is not just them. If you think that the food industry is not deceptive and manipulative then you must be simply choosing to ignore them.
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