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Thread: 'Monsanto Protection Act': 5 Terrifying Things To Know About The HR 933 Provision

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    Re: 'Monsanto Protection Act': 5 Terrifying Things To Know About The HR 933 Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Their profits are the least of my concern
    E.coli should be a concern though.

    AgAir Update | STF - Government not coming clean about organic foods

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    Re: 'Monsanto Protection Act': 5 Terrifying Things To Know About The HR 933 Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Did you have to specifically search for something suggesting organic foods are dangerous, and this is what you came up with?

    That'd be hilarious, that the one source you have is from the "Ag Aviation Newspaper." I mean, WTF? We should look to a newspaper about planes that spray chemicals on our crops to teach us about food safety? Are you kidding me? Is this satire? Please tell me this is satire, in which case I will essentially become one of your biggest fans, because that would be brilliant. Stephen Colbert-caliber, for real.

    Beyond that, the various claims throughout that link contain exactly zero further citation. It doesn't even pass the most basic of sniff tests.
    Last edited by Neomalthusian; 03-30-13 at 11:44 PM.

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    Re: 'Monsanto Protection Act': 5 Terrifying Things To Know About The HR 933 Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Did you have to specifically search for something suggesting organic foods are dangerous, and this is what you came up with? It's kind of funny, the one source you have is from the "Ag Aviation Newspaper." I mean, WTF? We should look to a newspaper about planes that spray chemicals on our crops to teach us about food safety? Are you kidding me? Is this satire?

    Beyond that, the various claims throughout that link contain exactly zero further citation. It doesn't even pass the most basic of sniff tests.
    Are you really not familiar with the number of deaths related to organic vegetables?

    Being critical of the source is an old and useless tact. Why not concern yourself whether or not the content is accurate or not?

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    Re: 'Monsanto Protection Act': 5 Terrifying Things To Know About The HR 933 Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Are you really not familiar with the number of deaths related to organic vegetables?
    Apparently not, but neither is your link, because it contains zero citations for its claims.

    Being critical of the source is an old and useless tact. Why not concern yourself whether or not the content is accurate or not?
    How would I be able to figure that out? It substantiates zero of its own claims. It points us to zero other authoritative sources for what it's alleging. It is the least credible source of information I could even imagine for knowing about organically grown vegetables.

    I'm half-amused and half-dismayed to discover you were actually serious about displaying Ag Aviation Magazine as a supposedly reliable source information concerning organic vegetables. Seriously you must be joking. Maybe you should backtrack a step or two and start over. You're being absurd and embarrassing yourself.
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    Re: 'Monsanto Protection Act': 5 Terrifying Things To Know About The HR 933 Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Apparently not, but neither is your link, because it contains zero citations for its claims.



    How would I be able to figure that out? It substantiates zero of its own claims. It points us to zero other authoritative sources for what it's alleging. It is the least credible source of information I could even imagine for knowing about organically grown vegetables.

    I'm half-amused and half-dismayed to discover you were actually serious about displaying Ag Aviation Magazine as a supposedly reliable source information concerning organic vegetables. Seriously you must be joking. Maybe you should backtrack a step or two and start over. You're being absurd and embarrassing yourself.
    It's truly remarkable that you don't know about all the deaths in the US, Canada and Europe from E.coli when all the information has been on the news and is readily available on the internet. Are you really that lazy that you can't look up the fact for yourself?

    Here's another source, but of course there are dozens more. Articles: Organic Food Deaths in Europe Could Have Been Prevented

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    Re: 'Monsanto Protection Act': 5 Terrifying Things To Know About The HR 933 Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It's truly remarkable that you don't know about all the deaths in the US, Canada and Europe from E.coli when all the information has been on the news and is readily available on the internet. Are you really that lazy that you can't look up the fact for yourself?

    Here's another source, but of course there are dozens more. Articles: Organic Food Deaths in Europe Could Have Been Prevented
    I actually read that link earlier this evening when I went searching for some modicum of substantiation of your Ag Aviation newspaper link (which I never ended up finding, by the way). Some guy defending himself against a critic.

    The take-home from this link is that the author wants certified organic farms to be subject to inspections the way other (larger) farms are. That's an argument worth considering. But it doesn't support your earlier insinuation that organic crops are inherently dangerous. Careless agricultural practices are dangerous, whether Certified Organic or not.

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    Re: 'Monsanto Protection Act': 5 Terrifying Things To Know About The HR 933 Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    I've already read that. Some guy defending himself against a critic. The take-home from this link is that the author wants certified organic farms to be subject to inspections the way other (larger) farms are. That's an argument worth considering. But it doesn't support your insinuation that organic crops are inherently dangerous. Poor agricultural practices are dangerous, whether Certified Organic or not.
    Yes, when people are dying in the US, Canada and Europe (and probably elsewhere) from 'organic' foods then it certainly is an idea worth considering!

    They are inherently dangerous unless rigorous inspections are done. There are links all over the Internet which point to the deaths of people who felt they were eating healthy natural foods, but of course diseases are caused by natural sources as well.

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    Re: 'Monsanto Protection Act': 5 Terrifying Things To Know About The HR 933 Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yes, when people are dying in the US, Canada and Europe (and probably elsewhere) from 'organic' foods then it certainly is an idea worth considering!
    Very few people get sick and die because of food poisoning/infections overall, organic or GMO or whatever else. Overall these are extremely small numbers of people.

    There are links all over the Internet which point to the deaths of people who felt they were eating healthy natural foods, but of course diseases are caused by natural sources as well.
    Diseases are caused by bacteria. They didn't just "feel" they were eating healthy natural foods. They were. The problem was that the healthy natural foods had bacterial contamination. The potential for this is independent of the organic classification.

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    Re: 'Monsanto Protection Act': 5 Terrifying Things To Know About The HR 933 Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    This is incredibly disturbing.






    Look at that, democrats and republicans can work together for the benefit of huge corporations with complete disregard for public safety.

    'Monsanto Protection Act': 5 Terrifying Things To Know About The HR 933 Provision
    So basically science is awesomeness when people want to genetically engineer babies in a dish, but it's not when we want to genetically engineer crops?

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    Re: 'Monsanto Protection Act': 5 Terrifying Things To Know About The HR 933 Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Very few people get sick and die because of food poisoning/infections overall, organic or GMO or whatever else. Overall these are extremely small numbers of people.
    Ive given you some information on those who thought they were eating clean and natural organic foods and died as a result. Perhaps you can offer some stats on other causes related to Monsanto, the subject of this thread.

    Diseases are caused by bacteria.
    Yes, quite.

    They didn't just "feel" they were eating healthy natural foods. They were. The problem was that the healthy natural foods had bacterial contamination.
    But apart from the deadly bacterial contaminations they were eating healthy natural foods. Then they died.

    Spoken like a true believer.

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