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    Re: 'Monsanto Protection Act': 5 Terrifying Things To Know About The HR 933 Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post

    Yes, inactivity and poor parenting certainly play a role. I agree with you completely. However, just because there is a second problem does not mean we should ignore the first. Making food cheaper and more profitable is not the right way to go. It should be nutritious. It should be healthy. Not healthier fast food. But actually healthy. Our bodies do not simply need to eat and then hope science can keep us alive and feeling miserable. Our goal should be to live a long, healthy life and feel good about it. It does come back to Monsanto, and even though they are probably the largest of the bunch it is not just them. If you think that the food industry is not deceptive and manipulative then you must be simply choosing to ignore them.
    I agree that the food industry can be deceptive and manipulative, just like the auto industry, tourism industry, or any other. We should not believe advertising as much as we do.

    But the responsibility also lies with the consumer. Anyone who doesn't know that cigarettes are bad for their health by now is hopelessly stupid. The same is true of crack cocaine users or fast food junkies. If they don't that these habits are unhealthy then there is little we can do except allow Darwin's theory to take its course.

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    Re: 'Monsanto Protection Act': 5 Terrifying Things To Know About The HR 933 Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    They have found seeds in ancient caves that might be 'organic; but even then no one can be sure. Changing the characteristics of plants, and animals, has been going on since man first walked the earth.
    By nature by cross pollination, then by man with hybridizing. All 'external' methods.

    GMO, or altering the DNA of a plant is relatively recent.
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    Re: 'Monsanto Protection Act': 5 Terrifying Things To Know About The HR 933 Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I agree that the food industry can be deceptive and manipulative, just like the auto industry, tourism industry, or any other. We should not believe advertising as much as we do.

    But the responsibility also lies with the consumer. Anyone who doesn't know that cigarettes are bad for their health by now is hopelessly stupid. The same is true of crack cocaine users or fast food junkies. If they don't that these habits are unhealthy then there is little we can do except allow Darwin's theory to take its course.
    I am all for consumer responsibility. You can read in the other thread we are discussing (we meaning you and I regarding wages). However, with food the responsibility first starts with those who are producing it. Cigarrette manufactures cannot run around telling you how great they are for your health. Neither can crack dealers (if they were sold legally). However food companies are given a green light to manipulate, decieve or flat out lie to their consumer base. If they are being in honest, the consumer has complete responsibility, however, that is not the case. People all day every day are told X is healthy and they eat it assuming that it is. People are destroying their bodies and believing they are doing the right things. It is not the same.
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    Re: 'Monsanto Protection Act': 5 Terrifying Things To Know About The HR 933 Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I agree that the food industry can be deceptive and manipulative, just like the auto industry, tourism industry, or any other. We should not believe advertising as much as we do.

    But the responsibility also lies with the consumer. Anyone who doesn't know that cigarettes are bad for their health by now is hopelessly stupid. The same is true of crack cocaine users or fast food junkies. If they don't that these habits are unhealthy then there is little we can do except allow Darwin's theory to take its course.
    Does that mean that the highly addictive nicotine insecticide manufactured by hundreds of plant varieties other than tobacco via genetic modification, is now okay to ingest?

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    Re: 'Monsanto Protection Act': 5 Terrifying Things To Know About The HR 933 Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    Actually, to be truly certified organic, it goes back several generations not only on the plant the seeds were harvested from, if it was close pollination or open, the soil they were grown in and how they were treated for pests and diseases.
    depends on who is doing the certification. There is no universal clear commercial standard.

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    Re: 'Monsanto Protection Act': 5 Terrifying Things To Know About The HR 933 Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    By nature by cross pollination, then by man with hybridizing. All 'external' methods.

    GMO, or altering the DNA of a plant is relatively recent.
    Relatively recent as in the past few thousand years?

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    Re: 'Monsanto Protection Act': 5 Terrifying Things To Know About The HR 933 Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by Panzareta View Post
    Does that mean that the highly addictive nicotine insecticide manufactured by hundreds of plant varieties other than tobacco via genetic modification, is now okay to ingest?
    I have no idea. Ask a scientist.

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    Re: 'Monsanto Protection Act': 5 Terrifying Things To Know About The HR 933 Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Relatively recent as in the past few thousand years?
    GMO, the manual action to internally alter the DNA of a plant or crop with a previously foreign substance, has not been going on for a few thousand years.

    Hybridizing, done externally using plants and plant substances, usually of the same genus or family, is far older than the scientificly devised method of GMO.
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    Re: 'Monsanto Protection Act': 5 Terrifying Things To Know About The HR 933 Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    depends on who is doing the certification. There is no universal clear commercial standard.
    Some light reading material.

    eCFR — Code of Federal Regulations
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    Re: 'Monsanto Protection Act': 5 Terrifying Things To Know About The HR 933 Provision

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    Some light reading material.

    eCFR — Code of Federal Regulations
    I will when I have the time. Glad to see that have come up with a system though. I used to hear lots of complaints that there was no standard or that the standards were whatever the states said they were.

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