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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    It's more complicated than that. States can't arbitrarily make discriminations on the basis of gender, they need to show a reason.
    Where is the gender discrimination?

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by longknife View Post
    IMHO, Prop 8 was an act of 70% of the voters of California and the Fed courts should never have become involved. Less than 2% of Californians are trying to overturn the will of the majority. Is this what this nation has become?
    It's always been that way So, nothing new here and not really anything wrong with it, since it's still anyone's ballgame.

    While I'm pro-gay marriage, I find it hillarious how Libbos are always screaming about how majority rules, until things don't go their way.
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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Where is the gender discrimination?
    I cannot enter a particular legal contract with a male because I am a male. Sexuality is mentioned nowhere in prop 8, probably because marriage isn't sex. (Ask any married man)
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Besides using Religion is there another reason why gays cant marry ( divorce rate is high you may be actually breaking them up anyway )

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    It's more complicated than that. States can't arbitrarily make discriminations on the basis of gender, they need to show a reason.
    Perhaps, if that were the issue here. As long as men cannot marry men and women cannot marry women the court's gender protection rules don't come into play.

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I cannot enter a particular legal contract with a male because I am a male. Sexuality is mentioned nowhere in prop 8, probably because marriage isn't sex. (Ask any married man)
    And I cannot enter into a particular legal contract with a female who has similar DNA. Again, show me the discrimination.

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Perhaps, if that were the issue here. As long as men cannot marry men and women cannot marry women the court's gender protection rules don't come into play.
    That line of reasoning was shot down with interracial marriage bans. "As long as white men cannot marry black women and black men cannot marry white women..."
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by Un biased View Post
    Besides using Religion is there another reason why gays cant marry ( divorce rate is high you may be actually breaking them up anyway )
    That's beem discussed ad infinitum in a number of other threads where that specifically is the topic. The answer is Yes, some folks have other reasons besides religion to oppose gay marriage.

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    That line of reasoning was shot down with interracial marriage bans. "As long as white men cannot marry black women and black men cannot marry white women..."
    Nope, not according to court rulings. It's not the same argument at all. Just another attempt on your part to shoehorn the gay marriage issue into the civil rights struggle.

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    And I cannot enter into a particular legal contract with a female who has similar DNA. Again, show me the discrimination.
    Your example is not preventing you from marrying ANY female. Female is not the basis for that discrimination, your DNA is.

    I cannot marry any male for any reason purely because I am male and he is male. Gender is the basis for that distinction, and gender is a class protected from discrimination under intermediate scrutiny, which means that the government must show an "important state interest" in making that discrimination and that the discrimination is done in a way "substantially related to that interest."

    What is the state interest in banning same-sex marriage?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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