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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Are you familiar with the Tenth Amendment, Prop 8, propositions in general and direct democracy?

    The Supreme Court even hearing this case is unconstitutional in the first place because it violates the Tenth Amendment.

    There is nothing in the Constitution about gay marriage or even marriage, however the Tenth Amendment is quite clear.
    Well then you go right ahead and tell the SCOTUS that, I'm sure they will take your rant into consideration

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yes it can if the provisions conflict with each other. Also, state constitutions cannot conflict with the US Constituton.
    And there is NOTHING in the Constitution that defines marriage...

    The best the gay rights activists can come up with is the Equal Protection Clause - and that clause is extremely vague - that clause could be used to justify just about anything.

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Still a violation of the us constitution.
    Only if the court rules your way. Though I suppose they could duck the issue and kick the can down the road a piece, a lot of watchers think it's going that way.

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Following oral arguments the SCOTUS Blog's comment was that they didn't have 5 votes on the court that wanted to uphold SSM, and Kennedy wanted to dismiss the case by ruling that SSM supporters didn't have standing to file the case. If the court went that way then Prop 8 would stand, and they felt that was a likely outcome. But YMMV.

    What will the Court do with Proposition 8? Today’s oral argument in Plain English : SCOTUSblog

    Having said that, people have forgotten how silly the whole idea of SSM is.

    The idea that SSM is somehow a civil rights issue is a distortion of the concept of civil rights. And silly. What's next? Are they going to claim a civil right to have sex with dogs? What is there to keep them from doing that in today's America?

    The idea that SSM is about freedom is a corruption of the concept of freedom. And silly. What's next? The "freedom" to marry prepubescent children? The "freedom" to be married to 9 wives at the same time? What is there to keep them from doing those things in today's America?

    The United States is becoming increasingly degenerate. People confuse freedom with libertinism and confuse civil rights with a right to fulfill all perverted and twisted desires. Increasingly people have criticized and undermined all the worthy traditions and values that were formerly celebrated and upheld. People should read the Marquis de Sade to see where that's likely to go.

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Those conflicts are determined to exist or not exist by the SCOTUS. The state's highest court had already decided the amendment was a legitimate part of the state's constitution. From that point forward the state has a duty to defend their constitution against any court challenge.
    They think otherwise, and no court has ruled they must do so. Which is all irrelevant at this point.
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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Which does not invalidate my point that prior to prop 8, same sex couples could legally marry in CA and were in fact doing so.
    Yes, it does.

    Prior to prop 8 same sex couples were allowed to marry in California for a period of about 2 years. Prop 22 was the law of the California starting in 2000 until the California State Supreme Court overturned it in 2008. This ruling declared that same sex couples had the right to marry and thus nullified prop 22. The right for same sex couples in California existed for a period of about two years and was essentially based on a technicality.
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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Well then you go right ahead and tell the SCOTUS that, I'm sure they will take your rant into consideration
    I'm not ranting....

    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
    Show me where marriage is in the Constitution....

    I'll be back in 20 minutes to hear *crickets*

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    I don't see how equal protection can be argued. If its used, then all rules/regulations around marriage must be dissolved as well.

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Following oral arguments the SCOTUS Blog's comment was that they didn't have 5 votes on the court that wanted to uphold SSM, and Kennedy wanted to dismiss the case by ruling that SSM supporters didn't have standing to file the case. If the court went that way then Prop 8 would stand, and they felt that was a likely outcome. But YMMV.

    What will the Court do with Proposition 8? Today’s oral argument in Plain English : SCOTUSblog

    Having said that, people have forgotten how silly the whole idea of SSM is.

    The idea that SSM is somehow a civil rights issue is a distortion of the concept of civil rights. And silly. What's next? Are they going to claim a civil right to have sex with dogs? What is there to keep them from doing that in today's America?

    The idea that SSM is about freedom is a corruption of the concept of freedom. And silly. What's next? The "freedom" to marry prepubescent children? The "freedom" to be married to 9 wives at the same time? What is there to keep them from doing those things in today's America?

    The United States is becoming increasingly degenerate. People confuse freedom with libertinism and confuse civil rights with a right to fulfill all perverted and twisted desires. Increasingly people have criticized and undermined all the worthy traditions and values that were formerly celebrated and upheld. People should read the Marquis de Sade to see where that's likely to go.
    Other way around actually. They might rule that SSM opponents had no standing to file the SCOTUS case. This would leave the existing ruling in place - overturn of prop 8.

    And yes. They seem reluctant to set a nationwide precedent either way.

    And that's not even bothering with your slippery slope bestiality bull****. Animals can't sign legal contracts.
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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Other way around actually. They might rule that SSM opponents had no standing to file the SCOTUS case. This would leave the existing ruling in place - overturn of prop 8.

    And yes. They seem reluctant to set a nationwide precedent either way.
    You are correct. That course of action by SCOTUS would not set a binding precedent, and would allow states to continue to write their own rules.

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