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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Marraige is legally in this country a right, and has been affirmed so in numerous(15?) supreme court rulings.
    if that were true, then it would be and open and shut case, and the court would just reference a case which state that.

    you understand, that a right is an ABSOLUTE, and MUST BE FULFILLED.

    if marriage were a right then you could force a person or an entity to marry you.

    therefore they are in servitude to serve your rights....and that's illogical when it comes to rights, because they have no force behind them.

    anything which places a demand for goods and services on another is unconstitutional, ....food ,water, housing, healthcare...cannot be rights.....because it requires other people to pay for them, so you can have them.

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    if that were true, then it would be and open and shut case, and the court would just reference a case which state that.

    you understand, that a right is an ABSOLUTE, and MUST BE FULFILLED.

    if marriage were a right then you could force a person or an entity to marry you.

    therefore they are in servitude to serve your needs....and that's illogical when it comes to rights, because they have no force behind them.

    anything which places a demand for goods and services on another is unconstitutional, ....food ,water, housing, healthcare...cannot be rights.....because it requires other people to pay for them, so you can have them.
    Huh what?

    Let's take this step by step. Marriage is a right: FindLaw | Cases and Codes

    The freedom to marry has long been recognized as one of the vital personal rights essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men. Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival.

    So we now know that marriage is in fact a right as defined in US law.

    For the rest of your post...huh what?
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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Huh what?

    Let's take this step by step. Marriage is a right: FindLaw | Cases and Codes




    So we now know that marriage is in fact a right as defined in US law.

    For the rest of your post...huh what?
    sorry, these so call civil rights ....are not rights at all, government cannot create rights, only privileges.

    the 14th amendment to the constitution can be repealed, at any time, the Bill of Rights...cannot be repealed according to the founders, which state they are unalienable.

    if you have a right to have something, then it cannot be denied to you, therefore you can DEMAND IT GIVEN TO YOU, ....can you make other citizens or governments give you things?....no!

    marriage is licensed, anything that is licensed, is a privilege dispensed by government, and they set the standard for obtain that license

    do you have a right to be a hairdresser, a retailor...they are licensed, and you must do what the state expects to get the license from them.

    a right is absolute, which you need no authority to act on.

    a privilege , you need higher authority to act on.
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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the 14th states privileges<----- and immunities, due process of law, and that governments cannot discriminate.

    privileges and rights are two different things, marriage would have to be declared a right, to call it inequality, privileges through licensing are not given to every American, you have to meet what the state sets as the standard.

    marriage cannot be a right because it imposes on another person or entity force, because marriage is a contract, and no one has the authority to force a third party to be part of a marriage, by preforming a ceremony.

    nothing can be a right if it has the power of force behind it.
    I have good news for you, nobody is suggesting anyone will be forced to perform the ceremony!

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    sorry, these so call civil rights ....are not rights at all, government cannot create rights, only privileges.

    the 14th amendment to the constitution can be repealed, at any time, the Bill of Rights...cannot be repealed according to the founders, which state they are unalienable.

    if you have a right to have something, then it cannot be denied to you, therefore you can DEMAND IT GIVEN TO YOU, ....can you make other citizens or governments give you things?....no!

    marriage is licensed, anything that is licensed, is a privilege dispensed by government, and they set the standard for obtain that license

    do you have a right to be a hairdresser, a retailor...they are licensed, and you must do what the state expects to get the license from them.

    a right is absolute, which you need no authority to act on.

    a privilege , you need higher authority to act on.
    So you are literally arguing over semantics here. Is that really your basis for opposing same-sex marriage? Quibbling over rights vs. privileges? According to George Carlin, we don't have any rights at all, ever, because the government can and does take them away. Fine, whatever, interpret it that way if you like. What does that have to do with whether or not the government should recognize a marriage contract between two people of the same gender?
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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    sorry, these so call civil rights ....are not rights at all, government cannot create rights, only privileges.

    the 14th amendment to the constitution can be repealed, at any time, the Bill of Rights...cannot be repealed according to the founders, which state they are unalienable.

    if you have a right to have something, then it cannot be denied to you, therefore you can DEMAND IT GIVEN TO YOU, ....can you make other citizens or governments give you things?....no!

    marriage is licensed, anything that is licensed, is a privilege dispensed by government, and they set the standard for obtain that license

    do you have a right to be a hairdresser, a retailor...they are licensed, and you must do what the state expects to get the license from them.

    a right is absolute, which you need no authority to act on.

    a privilege , you need higher authority to act on.
    The bill of rights can absolutely be repealed with the same process that would be used to repeal any other amendment.

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Part of the oath of office:



    Prop 8 was a constitutional amendment upheld by the state supreme court - it wasn't just any law or ballot measure.
    It mentions supporting and defending both constitutions. So if they conflict, then the person cannot do both legitimately. They must choose which one they will defend and that is their choice and right to choose.
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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by Philly Boss View Post
    The bill of rights can absolutely be repealed with the same process that would be used to repeal any other amendment.
    according to the foundering fathers in their letters they cannot........to do so would then, would make the rights of the people,....not unalienable.

    rights are unalienable

    how can the federal government, then the state governments who would try to repeal the amendments, have power to take away rights of the people......are not rights in the people hands-----> not governments.

    government is does give or take rights.

    "Nothing... is unchangeable but the inherent and unalienable rights of man." --Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824.

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    "Nothing... is unchangeable but the inherent and unalienable rights of man." --Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824.
    I have no clue where you people get the idea that just because they founded this nation, they are somehow godlike. The founding fathers were just men.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I have no clue where you people get the idea that just because they founded this nation, they are somehow godlike. The founding fathers were just men.
    are you saying government dispenses rights to the people?

    therefore any time government feels your rights should be taken from you-----> they can do it?

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