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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    If progressives are really this passionate about gay marriage than why don't they TRY TO AMEND THE CONSTITUTION instead of running to the Supreme Court?

    Oh yeah they can't because defining marriage is impossible not to mention a slippery slope argument, or the so-called fallacies they refuse to recognize even exist. They can't do it because defining would be de facto discrimination.

    Unbelievable...

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    SSM was legal in CA. Prop 8 would take away the right to marry for same-sex couples. You can claim it's not a right, but in CA it was before prop 8s passing.
    Fair enough, but again, wasn't a right before either - it was a legislative act allowing the licensing of gay marriage. It had not reached the state constitution and right status just yet.

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    If you think Obamacare is unconstitutional, how did it pass in the first place?
    Congress has passed many an unconstitutional law. It suppose3d to be why we have a SCOTUS, as referee when someone calls foul.

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    The SCOTUS shouldn't even be hearing this case.. This was a direct democratically passed state piece of law...

    Does the Tenth Amendment mean nothing these days?

    If the damn thing was illegal in the first place then how the hell did it make it onto the ballot?

    That's a good question isn't it?

    Oh yeah, progressives didn't like the outcome so all of a sudden the laws and policies of this nation don't count - the same laws they love when it comes to regulation or taxation - that **** is the law of the land then.
    Excuse me Mr. "I can't believe you actually said whats in my signature,"

    Democratically passed laws, whether done through the ballot box or in legislature, are not immune from the court's purview.

    Laws are not "illegal" until a court declares it to be the case, which means that by default no illegal law ends up on the ballot, just as no Congress passes an unconstitutional law since its not until the SCOTUS overturns that law is it said to be unconstitutional.

    Laws and policies are overturned all the time, sometimes for the better and sometimes not, you should read up on history if you think this is the first time a court may over turn a law, its not "all of a sudden" its been going on since the inception of the Constitution.

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    A 79% of the voting population turnout is pretty darn high for California. Sorry to burst your bubble, but when we talk about majority support in politics we're talking about the majority of VOTERS. Anything else and you're just padding the stats to make your side of the issue look better.
    54% of the population wouldn't be eligiable for voting? The national average of people under 18 is 23.7%. That is large chunk of people who never bothered registering.
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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by longknife View Post
    Well then, because less than 50% of eligible voters participated in the 2012 General Election and Obama only won 51% of those, by your reasoning the election should be invalidated?
    Elections are decide on plurality, not majority. You are the one who is leaning on a "majority" of 19%
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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by longknife View Post
    Well then, because less than 50% of eligible voters participated in the 2012 General Election and Obama only won 51% of those, by your reasoning the election should be invalidated?
    Not at all. My point is that the referendum results were not "overwhelming" as you have said. Nor was it the will of the majority of California's population, again, like you've said. I was just pointing out your fallacy.
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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    SSM was legal in CA. Prop 8 would take away the right to marry for same-sex couples. You can claim it's not a right, but in CA it was before prop 8s passing.
    Revisionist history.

    Same sex marriage was not legal in California. Prop. 22 which was passed in 2000 defined marriage as between a man and a woman. The California Supreme court overturned the law in 2008. So, in effect, the COURT legalized gay marriage in 2008. This gave rise to prop. 8 which passed in 2010.
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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    If the amendment conflicts with the existing constitution, that must be resolved.

    It was challenged under the states due process clause and ruled unconstitutional because the state has no compelling interest to justify the ban. It was also determined that the proposition violated the equal protection clause.
    The California Supreme Court upheld Prop 8.

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Congress has passed many an unconstitutional law. It suppose3d to be why we have a SCOTUS, as referee when someone calls foul.
    And the citizen of CA passed an unconstitutional ballot measure because it violates two existing parts of the constitution.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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