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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Except for all the historical cases of polygamy, you mean? Or when it was "one man and one baby factory?"
    Stiil, breaks the point you were trying to set up. And AFAIK those cases of harems didn't involve marriage.

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    SCOTUSBlog as usual has the best coverage: Argument recap: DOMA is in trouble (FINAL UPDATE) : SCOTUSblog

    Justice Kennedy told Clement that there was “a real risk” that DOMA would interfere with the traditional authority of states to regulate marriage. Kennedy also seemed troubled about the sweeping breadth of DOMA’s Section 3, noting that its ban on benefits to already married same-sex couples under 1,100 laws and programs would mean that the federal government was “intertwined with citizens’ daily lives.” He questioned Congress’s very authority to pass such a broad law.


    Moreover, Kennedy questioned Clement’s most basic argument — that Congress was only reaching for uniformity, so that federal agencies would not have to sort out who was or was not married legally in deciding who could qualify for federal marital benefits, because some states were on the verge of recognizing same-sex marriage.


    Along with sharply negative comments about DOMA by the Court’s four more liberal members, Kennedy’s stance could put the law on the edge of constitutional extinction. But, if the Court were to do that based on states’ rights premises, the final ruling might not say much at all about whether same-sex couples were any closer to gaining an equal right to marry under the Constitution.
    While as the ACA/Obamacare ruling taught us, reading too much into oral arguments is a very bad plan, still, the arguments today cannot be taken as anything other than a very bed day for DOMA supporters.

    Transcript of today's arguments:

    http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arg...2-307_jnt1.pdf
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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Stiil, breaks the point you were trying to set up. And AFAIK those cases of harems didn't involve marriage.
    Numerous historical occurrences of actual polygamy exist. And it doesn't do crap to my point: the definition of marriage has changed repeatedly throughout history.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Nobody is proposing forcing a church to marry gay couples. Where on earth did you get that idea?
    Yeah, agreed, churches aren't forced to marry every hetero couple that asks. But this does highlight a difficulty with marriage being considered a civil right. IF marriage were indeed a civil right presently churches would be forced to marry any hetero couple who asked, and that's just not the case.

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Numerous historical occurrences of actual polygamy exist. And it doesn't do crap to my point: the definition of marriage has changed repeatedly throughout history.
    Nope, nice try, unless you can show where those polygamist relationships were marriages and all the partners were considered married.

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Nope, nice try, unless you can show where those polygamist relationships were marriages and all the partners were considered married.
    How about the bible?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Nobody is proposing forcing a church to marry gay couples. Where on earth did you get that idea?
    Just like churches or religious businesses would NEVER be asked to provide free BC to their employees right?

    Gay Danish couples win right to marry in church - Telegraph

    The church ceremony isn't part of the equation. We're talking about the legal contract that the government recognizes. Churches don't have to perform a marriage ceremony for straight couples either, you know. I have a right to free speech, but that doesn't mean I have a right to use Fox News' equipment to broadcast my free speech. They are under no obligation to host my free expression. I have the right to an attorney when accused of a crime, but that doesn't mean any particular lawyer is legally compelled to represent me.
    So why do gays get the special right to change the definition of marriage then? Why are other sexual special interest groups excluded? You're claiming gays "have a fundamental civil right to marry". Why only them and not others?

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Just like churches or religious businesses would NEVER be asked to provide free BC to their employees right?

    Gay Danish couples win right to marry in church - Telegraph



    So why do gays get the special right to change the definition of marriage then? Why are other sexual special interest groups excluded? You're claiming gays "have a fundamental civil right to marry". Why only them and not others?
    Separate marriage from sex and then actually specify a group, maybe then there's something to talk about.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Separate marriage from sex and then actually specify a group, maybe then there's something to talk about.
    Gays are defined by their sexuality

    Blacks aren't blacks because of who they have sex with. Skin color is not relevant to behavior. That's why it's racist to claim gay marriage is a civil right. Blacks were targeted and persecuted for what they looked like. Gays want to change the definition of marriage. It twisted to equate the two on a moral level.

    If a bisexual wants to marry both a man and woman, who are you to deny them their civil right to do so? Who they love doesn't harm you. Why deny their right to marry who they want?

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Just like churches or religious businesses would NEVER be asked to provide free BC to their employees right?

    Gay Danish couples win right to marry in church - Telegraph
    Denmark has the right to make their own laws. They're not beholden to the First Amendment



    So why do gays get the special right to change the definition of marriage then? Why are other sexual special interest groups excluded? You're claiming gays "have a fundamental civil right to marry". Why only them and not others?
    Only one other "sexual special interest group" is about other consenting adults, which is polygamists. If you want to "marry" whips and chains, fine, but they can't enter into a contract.


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