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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

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    Which means the state cannot restrict it in any way. Correct?
    Not necessarily. It does mean that they can't exclude a whole class of people.


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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Not necessarily. It does mean that they can't exclude a whole class of people.
    Marriage has age restrictions. Or does that not count as a "class" of people?

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Should churches be forced to marry gay couples?
    No, that would violate the First Amendment.

    Any sexual interest group can have their own definition of marriage right?
    Silppery slope fallacy is still false when you use it.


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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Marriage has age restrictions. Or does that not count as a "class" of people?
    It's not a "class" of adults.


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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It's not a "class" of adults.
    So that's a yes, the state can restrict it as it can see fit, but not in the way you desire.

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    So that's a yes, the state can restrict it as it can see fit, but not in the way you desire.
    It's not a yes, but if it makes you feel like you won, by all means...

    Other rights, such as voting are age restricted. Should we not let gays vote either?


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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It's not a yes, but if it makes you feel like you won, by all means...

    Other rights, such as voting are age restricted. Should we not let gays vote either?
    Either the state can impose its own restrictions, or they can't. And please define what you describe as a "class" of people.

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    No, that would violate the First Amendment.
    What if a gay couple demands a church marry them and they refuse? Which civil right takes precedence?

    Silppery slope fallacy is still false when you use it.
    There is no slippery slope fallacy. Your feelings do not equal facts.

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Either the state can impose its own restrictions, or they can't. And please define what you describe as a "class" of people.
    No, they can't just impose restrictions on anything on anybody. You have no "right" to own a house, but the State can't pass a law saying "Italians can't own houses." I know you guys balk at interracial marriage comparisons or any other civil rights restrictions, but saying the State can impose any restrictions it wants on a right or privilege leads to exactly that - Why can a state say "No gay marriage," but not "No Chinese/Vietnamese marriage?"


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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Should churches be forced to marry gay couples?

    Any sexual interest group can have their own definition of marriage right?
    Nobody is proposing forcing a church to marry gay couples. Where on earth did you get that idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    What if a gay couple demands a church marry them and they refuse? Which civil right takes precedence?



    There is no slippery slope fallacy. Your feelings do not equal facts.
    The church ceremony isn't part of the equation. We're talking about the legal contract that the government recognizes. Churches don't have to perform a marriage ceremony for straight couples either, you know. I have a right to free speech, but that doesn't mean I have a right to use Fox News' equipment to broadcast my free speech. They are under no obligation to host my free expression. I have the right to an attorney when accused of a crime, but that doesn't mean any particular lawyer is legally compelled to represent me.
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