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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by longknife View Post
    That's not the point! The point is that the people of a state voted overwhelmingly for a state proposition. If you don't like it - MOVE.
    52.24% voted in favour of Prop 8, hardly overwhelming. Factoring in the 79.42% turnout of the 17,304,428 person electorate, which itself is 46.55% of the population that was 37,172,015 two year before; 19.31% of California's population voted in favour of Prop 8. Not at all overwhelming, and not the will of the majority.
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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

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    It's gay week at SCOTUS!

    5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case - CBS News



    Today they are hearing arguments on Prop 8 in CA, which would ban SSM. Prop 8 was overturned but the appeal is waiting for a decision by SCOTUS. There's quite a bit of speculation that SCOTUS will wuss out on this one, ruling that prop 8 supporters have no legal standing to bring this case before SCOTUS. (The state of California refused to defend the amendment in court, so anti-SSM folks took up its defense) The effect of this would be the previous ruling stands, prop 8 is overturned and SSM is legal in CA. While disappointing for pro-SSM folks, it's not all bad, CA moves back to freedom on a permanent basis and an interesting precedent regarding standing of straight people in SSM cases is set.

    Virtually nobody hearing the court discussion thinks prop 8 will be upheld. Tweeters indicate that SCOTUS seems much more wary of setting a broad precedent on the subject. P
    Cowards. This isn't going away!

    Tomorrow they take arguments on a constitutional challenge to the Defense of Marriage Act. I think SCOTUS has fewer punt options there, as it's a federal law with challenges in multiple districts.
    The SCOTUS shouldn't even be hearing this case.. This was a direct democratically passed state piece of law...

    Does the Tenth Amendment mean nothing these days?

    If the damn thing was illegal in the first place then how the hell did it make it onto the ballot?

    That's a good question isn't it?

    Oh yeah, progressives didn't like the outcome so all of a sudden the laws and policies of this nation don't count - the same laws they love when it comes to regulation or taxation - that **** is the law of the land then.

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    By no stretch of imagination is 52% "overwhelming" and since when is it ok for us to vote to take away rights?
    First, not a right and nothing was "taken" away. Second, for California, a state famous for it's "blueness" and home to traditionally the most vocal gay community, 52% voting to ban gay marriage at the constitutional level is indeed overwhelming.

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The state has no duty to defend something they perceive as unconstitutional. Or do you think it's the duty of every state to defend every gun control law, health care reform, etc?
    Wrong on all counts. The state has a duty to protect the STATE constitution. Prop 8 was enacted by the people as part of, IS a part of, the state constitution.

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    First, not a right and nothing was "taken" away. Second, for California, a state famous for it's "blueness" and home to traditionally the most vocal gay community, 52% voting to ban gay marriage at the constitutional level is indeed overwhelming.
    SSM was legal in CA. Prop 8 would take away the right to marry for same-sex couples. You can claim it's not a right, but in CA it was before prop 8s passing.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by longknife View Post
    That's not the point! The point is that the people of a state voted overwhelmingly for a state proposition. If you don't like it - MOVE.
    I wouldn't say overwhelmingly, but it was a sizable victory.

    Though the might I add in a quote that one of our founding fathers made

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    The SCOTUS shouldn't even be hearing this case.. This was a direct democratically passed state piece of law...

    Does the Tenth Amendment mean nothing these days?

    If the damn thing was illegal in the first place then how the hell did it make it onto the ballot?

    That's a good question isn't it?

    Oh yeah, progressives didn't like the outcome so all of a sudden the laws and policies of this nation don't count - the same laws they love when it comes to regulation or taxation - that **** is the law of the land then.
    If you think Obamacare is unconstitutional, how did it pass in the first place?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by Juiposa View Post
    52.24% voted in favour of Prop 8, hardly overwhelming. Factoring in the 79.42% turnout of the 17,304,428 person electorate, which itself is 46.55% of the population that was 37,172,015 two year before; 19.31% of California's population voted in favour of Prop 8. Not at all overwhelming, and not the will of the majority.
    A 79% of the voting population turnout is pretty darn high for California. Sorry to burst your bubble, but when we talk about majority support in politics we're talking about the majority of VOTERS. Anything else and you're just padding the stats to make your side of the issue look better.

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by Juiposa View Post
    52.24% voted in favour of Prop 8, hardly overwhelming. Factoring in the 79.42% turnout of the 17,304,428 person electorate, which itself is 46.55% of the population that was 37,172,015 two year before; 19.31% of California's population voted in favour of Prop 8. Not at all overwhelming, and not the will of the majority.
    Well then, because less than 50% of eligible voters participated in the 2012 General Election and Obama only won 51% of those, by your reasoning the election should be invalidated?
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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Wrong on all counts. The state has a duty to protect the STATE constitution. Prop 8 was enacted by the people as part of, IS a part of, the state constitution.
    If the amendment conflicts with the existing constitution, that must be resolved.

    It was challenged under the states due process clause and ruled unconstitutional because the state has no compelling interest to justify the ban. It was also determined that the proposition violated the equal protection clause.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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