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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The response is also brilliant. When did it become unconstitutional to ban interracial marriage? Scalia says it was the adoption of the 14th amendment. Yet that's not when it became legal.

    Same-sex marriage bans became unconstitutional with the adoption of the 14th amendment. We're just way, way overdue in recognizing that.

    Scalia is a dip**** and people should really stop relying on him.
    Except that's not so. The 14th was drafted to give Congress the constitutional backing to backfill on the changes they had already made following the Civil War. They had passed the Civil Rights Act of 1866 and the SCOTUS was signalling that perhaps they didn't have the authority for that. The 14th was drafted to give them the authority.

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    You made the argument that SSM in no way impacted the ability of others to procreate. That is not an argument for "liberty".
    Yes it is. Without grounds to deny same-sex marriage, the state should have to recognize it, thereby granting liberty to individuals.


    I also defer to Scalia's argument. Look, SSM was first adopted all of 13 years ago in the Netherlands. Hardly a situation that has been long-defined as a denial of liberty. Seems much more a political issue.
    Society didn't think slavery was a denial of liberty. Why should I use past definitions to decide that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Except that's not so. The 14th was drafted to give Congress the constitutional backing to backfill on the changes they had already made following the Civil War. They had passed the Civil Rights Act of 1866 and the SCOTUS was signalling that perhaps they didn't have the authority for that. The 14th was drafted to give them the authority.

    So when did it become unconstitutional to ban interracial marriage?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The response is also brilliant. When did it become unconstitutional to ban interracial marriage? Scalia says it was the adoption of the 14th amendment. Yet that's not when it became legal.

    Same-sex marriage bans became unconstitutional with the adoption of the 14th amendment. We're just way, way overdue in recognizing that.

    Scalia is a dip**** and people should really stop relying on him.
    You are getting silly now. Scalia answered the question specifically. And correctly. Others added context to the very same argument, showing the overwhelming difference of valid legal concerns between mixed-race marriages and the issue of SSM. Olson could not answer the question, as he was trapped into admitting it was a political concern more than a Constitutional one. He just could not say so directly.

    Hey, I think Olson brilliant. Boies too. My heart will always bleed with Olson because of what happened to his wife. He had a tough case to make today.

    Scalia is probably the smartest Justice on the Court. Its why liberals despise him ........... much as you do.

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    So when did it become unconstitutional to ban interracial marriage?
    When SCOTUS ruled it so - Loving v. Virginia 1967. Otherwise you're asking one of those, if a tree falls in the forest questions.

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    When SCOTUS ruled it so - Loving v. Virginia 1967. Otherwise you're asking one of those, if a tree falls in the forest questions.
    Well, it's possible that in 2013 it will become unconstitutional to ban same-sex marriage.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    You are getting silly now. Scalia answered the question specifically. And correctly. Others added context to the very same argument, showing the overwhelming difference of valid legal concerns between mixed-race marriages and the issue of SSM. Olson could not answer the question, as he was trapped into admitting it was a political concern more than a Constitutional one. He just could not say so directly.

    Hey, I think Olson brilliant. Boies too. My heart will always bleed with Olson because of what happened to his wife. He had a tough case to make today.

    Scalia is probably the smartest Justice on the Court. Its why liberals despise him ........... much as you do.
    He's a man who thinks someone proven to be innocent should not be released from prison if their conviction happened properly under due process of law.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yes it is. Without grounds to deny same-sex marriage, the state should have to recognize it, thereby granting liberty to individuals.
    For this to be valid, one must deny that the state has any basis upon which to establish the societal basis for Marriage. That argument has never held water.




    Society didn't think slavery was a denial of liberty. Why should I use past definitions to decide that?
    False and ill-informed. For millennia, society felt that the slave was a second class citizen, not worthy of the same liberties. Every society, to include blacks enslaving other blacks. Muslims enslaving non-Muslims.

    However, that changed over time. Even our Founders recognized such. If you read of their debates, you would know this. Clearly the Civil War was fomented in part due to abolitionist agitation.

    Your post was pretty ignorant. A stupid strawman. Why bother if that is all you got ?

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    He's a man who thinks someone proven to be innocent should not be released from prison if their conviction happened properly under due process of law.
    What is with the red-herrings and strawmen and nonsense ? Can't debate the issue anymore ?


    Pffffft ............

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by longknife View Post
    IMHO, Prop 8 was an act of 70% of the voters of California and the Fed courts should never have become involved. Less than 2% of Californians are trying to overturn the will of the majority. Is this what this nation has become?
    Would support that of they voted to ban guns? Or outlaw conservative programming? Or allow only homosexuals the right to marry?

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