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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    It's a simple matter of equal rights. I don't see how it cannot be a 9-0 decision, unless certain justices let their personal and religious convictions interfere with their judicial objectivity.

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    It's gay week at SCOTUS!

    5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case - CBS News

    Today they are hearing arguments on Prop 8 in CA, which would ban SSM. Prop 8 was overturned but the appeal is waiting for a decision by SCOTUS. There's quite a bit of speculation that SCOTUS will wuss out on this one, ruling that prop 8 supporters have no legal standing to bring this case before SCOTUS. (The state of California refused to defend the amendment in court, so anti-SSM folks took up its defense) The effect of this would be the previous ruling stands, prop 8 is overturned and SSM is legal in CA. While disappointing for pro-SSM folks, it's not all bad, CA moves back to freedom on a permanent basis and an interesting precedent regarding standing of straight people in SSM cases is set.

    Virtually nobody hearing the court discussion thinks prop 8 will be upheld. Tweeters indicate that SCOTUS seems much more wary of setting a broad precedent on the subject. P
    Cowards. This isn't going away!

    Tomorrow they take arguments on a constitutional challenge to the Defense of Marriage Act. I think SCOTUS has fewer punt options there, as it's a federal law with challenges in multiple districts.
    Most of the talking head think the SCOTUS will punt on this. Of course we will not know that until June. Punting means the 9th circuit court verdict will stand and California will become the 10th state to have legal gay marriages. It will probably set off lawsuits in the other 40 states who do not reconize SSM.
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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    I believe the courts will punt as well.

    They may also offer a decision in a way that paves the way for 'the people' to sort it out for themselves through legislation.

    Something the court failed to do with regard to the abortion issue.

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Actually, you can't leave anything to a pet, at best you can set up a trust with a human executor to fund the care of the pet. Pets cannot directly be a party to any legal contract.
    Same setup as with minor children. Btw, the pet thing, happens more than you might think.

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Most of the talking head think the SCOTUS will punt on this. Of course we will not know that until June. Punting means the 9th circuit court verdict will stand and California will become the 10th state to have legal gay marriages. It will probably set off lawsuits in the other 40 states who do not reconize SSM.
    We don't know of course, but they could very well punt with a twist. They could invalidate the ruling of the 9th and fail to rule on the larger matter.

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    It's a simple matter of equal rights. I don't see how it cannot be a 9-0 decision, unless certain justices let their personal and religious convictions interfere with their judicial objectivity.
    "Equality" is impossible.

    I'm 5'5 maybe I should sue the guy down the street who is 6'5.

    Maybe I should sue progressives because they don't think like I think? that wouldn't be equal....

    No one will ever find "equality" - that **** will never happen..

    Besides, "equality" is nothing more than an interchangeable word for "same" and the majority of those who cry about equality embrace difference (only in certain situations - I'm an evil redneck to them).

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Same setup as with minor children. Btw, the pet thing, happens more than you might think.
    That they give money for the care of their pets? Sure. That they give money directly to their pets? Not legally possible.
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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    We don't know of course, but they could very well punt with a twist. They could invalidate the ruling of the 9th and fail to rule on the larger matter.
    All sorts of things are possible and one never knows with the SCOTUS. But probability I think rests with what I said. But that still leaves all sorts of other possibilities.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Prop 8 passed with barely over 50% of the vote, which is not uncommon, but it is not 70% of the vote. That's just a simple fact. Now onto my opinion, the courts should overturn prop 8 as the majority has no right to take away rights from the minority. Do you think when the SCOTUS declared segregation unconstitutional that they cared about what the majority of people wanted in the segregated South? Hell no, and good thing they didn't either. Rights are not something you should be able to take away with a simple majority.
    What "rights" of a minority were taken away by Prop 8 ?

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    Re: 5 possible outcomes of the Supreme Court Prop. 8 case

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    By no stretch of imagination is 52% "overwhelming" and since when is it ok for us to vote to take away rights?
    What "rights" were taken away in CA by Prop 8 ?

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