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    Re: US provides aid to Syrian rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I never said that they should never have been there in the first place. I feel the Coalition should have left after Saddam was gone or they should have stayed to see the job through. Instead it was a mix of both. As political pressures mounted, with the American people eventually turning on themselves and political opportunists turning their back on their promises and countrymen, it slowly lurched toward failure.

    Every country tries to exert pressure overseas, but that doesn't mean they are at war. Britain pulled out of Libya and the the US should have done the same. The late Ambassador Stevens knew what was going on but was ignored. Even the Red Cross knew better than the US Secretary of State.

    I'm not sure that the Iraqi government even told the forces to leave, despite what was said politically. It doesn't make any sense. I see that as a weak excuse to pull out, just as Obama said he would. There is something very strange going on in the Middle East with former leaders, along with Allies and known quantities, being replaced willy nilly.
    What do you mean you aren't sure? That's exactly what happened, its history, its a simple fact, what is there to not be sure about?

    I know Libya and Iraq aren't comparable from the perspective of a war, because we were at war in Iraq and were not at war in Libya, I'm not trying to compare them as wars. I'm comparing them as actions the US took to remove a dictator and support a new government in a country, and how one turned out better than the other for the United States.

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    Re: US provides aid to Syrian rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    What do you mean you aren't sure? That's exactly what happened, its history, its a simple fact, what is there to not be sure about?
    I know what they said but I'm not buying it. That's the difference.

    They also said Benghazi was the result of an Internet video. Did you buy that and say it was history, that it was a simple fact??

    I know Libya and Iraq aren't comparable from the perspective of a war, because we were at war in Iraq and were not at war in Libya, I'm not trying to compare them as wars. I'm comparing them as actions the US took to remove a dictator and support a new government in a country, and how one turned out better than the other for the United States.
    But you are still comparing them even though even though one involved an actual war and the other was an attack on American citizens and their Ambassador. . And we don't yet know how it turned out. It's still in transition and we won't know the consequences for a few years. History is on the move in the Middle East like it never was before, and its rather early to say it's all done and dusted.

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    Re: US provides aid to Syrian rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I know what they said but I'm not buying it. That's the difference.

    They also said Benghazi was the result of an Internet video. Did you buy that and say it was history, that it was a simple fact??



    But you are still comparing them even though even though one involved an actual war and the other was an attack on American citizens and their Ambassador. . And we don't yet know how it turned out. It's still in transition and we won't know the consequences for a few years. History is on the move in the Middle East like it never was before, and its rather early to say it's all done and dusted.
    So what evidence or information do you have to support your theory that the reason we didn't leave Iraq was because they asked us to?

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    Re: US provides aid to Syrian rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    So what evidence or information do you have to support your theory that the reason we didn't leave Iraq was because they asked us to?
    I don't have a theory. As I said, I just don't believe that they would pull out for the reason they gave. You can believe it of course, and you apparently do, but I don't. We'll learn more over the next few years.

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    Re: US provides aid to Syrian rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I don't have a theory. As I said, I just don't believe that they would pull out for the reason they gave. You can believe it of course, and you apparently do, but I don't. We'll learn more over the next few years.
    Ok but believing something without anything to support it is pretty much a conspiracy theory. I do agree both Libya and Iraq will be judged better in the future as things continue to develop.

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    Re: US provides aid to Syrian rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Ok but believing something without anything to support it is pretty much a conspiracy theory. I do agree both Libya and Iraq will be judged better in the future as things continue to develop.
    We each have our beliefs. You believe the official line and I don't, nor do i have a theory. I didn't believe that Benghazi video lie either because the idea was too ridiculous, though many people did it. Eventually it's what we know that counts, not what we believe.

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    Re: US provides aid to Syrian rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    We each have our beliefs. You believe the official line and I don't, nor do i have a theory. I didn't believe that Benghazi video lie either because the idea was too ridiculous, though many people did it. Eventually it's what we know that counts, not what we believe.
    Its not about beliefs is about what's backed up by facts and what isn't, you have no facts to support your position.

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    Re: US provides aid to Syrian rebels

    I may remember wrong but I think I read an article that us forcing have been training syrains and operating in non "command" operations for up to 3 months before the chemical attack. Wonder if I can find it.
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    Re: US provides aid to Syrian rebels

    Could the consequences somehow mirror the consequences after military assistance was provided to the mujahideen in Afghanistan during the late 80's, anyone?

    I wouldn't be surprised if the CIA expects the Syrian rebels to later turn against the US so that the US government can engage in intimidation and accuse the new Syrian government of "terrorism".
    Last edited by Samira; 03-29-13 at 10:01 PM.
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    Re: US provides aid to Syrian rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Its not about beliefs is about what's backed up by facts and what isn't, you have no facts to support your position.
    Who was the source for these 'facts'?

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