Moreover the fate of Syria has already been decided as to what will take place there after Assad falls or is driven out of Office.....evidenced.
Jabhat Al-Nursa's plans for a new Syria under sharia
Jabhat Al Nusra has emerged as the most powerful fighting group amidst the Syrian rebel opposition. The Islamist group has outlined its plans to impose sharia law once President Assad is ousted.
Sheikh Abu Ahmed, military commander of Jabhat Al Nusra, spoke with a reporter from the National. The Salafist leader said: "Our first goal is to get rid of Assad. Then we want a state where the Quran is the only source of law. Sharia is the right path for all humanity - all other laws make people unhappy."
His vision of Syria under sharia is sure to make the populace happy, with alcohol, tobacco, cinema and immoral television shows banned. Ahmed claimed the people "will get used to it eventually."
Al Qaeda has endorsed Al Nursa as the purest Islamic group in Syria.
Read more: Jabhat Al-Nursa's plans for a new Syria under sharia
Course they say the 1.8 million Christians will have nothing to fear at all.
Iraq told US troops to get out, it was not a policy decision by the Bush or the Obama administration. The Iraqis told the USA that our troops will no longer have immunity from prosecution in Iraqi courts so we respectfully left. And lastly its bizarre you call Libya a failure of policy because an ambassador was killed but say nothing of the thousands of dead Americans in Iraq. You only say that Iraq was a failure when we left and Americans stopped dying, how can you hold both positions to be true? Do the value of the lives lost in Iraq not mean as much?
Libya may fail, so may Iraq, its quite possible, however going on what we know today and what the situation is in both countries today, there's no denying that America got more for its blood and money out of Libya than Iraq.
A lot could potentially change between now and then. Even then, Jabhat Al-Nursa does not speak for the entirety of the opposition movement.
I've got to say though, I am honestly kind of curious as to how the Israelis would respond to something like that. I imagine that the Mossad would have quite a lot of work on their hands.
"Men did not love Rome because she was great. She was great because they had loved her." -- G.K. Chesterton
Our CIA has been compromised in Libya. Sources, Networks, Safehouses, can't say the same for Iraq.
I fail to see what you mean by Libya being a gateway between East and West, could you elaborate some more?
Lastly, no most rebels in Mali are not coming through Libya, Libya and Mali don't even border each other, most Mali fighters are coming from neighboring Algeria or Niger. What is coming from Libya though are weapons, that fell out of the hands of the government and rebels during the civil war in Libya and were taken or sold to Mali fighters of various groups. That is a 2nd order effect of a government once capable of securing its arms falling apart.
Can you source your claim about the CIA being compromised?
Source? And I know many groups won't work with the US, and frankly they don't have to, if they are moderate and not radicals we should be supporting them in their fight to both replace Assad and not be overcome by the radicals.Yeah, and what don't you get about 29 Opposition groups that have taken a Pledge and will defy the US? Despite what Obama has to say and who he will fund.
Also Did you forget about the US Consulate being attacked and the safe house as well as the CIA annex holding weapons was compromised.
Source on Syria Opposition groups.....NP, evidenced.
Syrian rebels defy US and pledge allegiance to jihadi group......
Rebel groups across Syria are defying the United States by pledging their allegiance to a group that Washington will designate today a terrorist organization for its alleged links to al-Qaeda.
A total of 29 opposition groups, including fighting "brigades" and civilian committees, have signed a petition calling for mass demonstrations in support of Jabhat al-Nusra, an Islamist group which the White House believes is an offshoot of al-Qaeda in Iraq.
The petition is promoting the slogan "No to American intervention, for we are all Jabhat al-Nusra" and urges supporters to "raise the Jabhat al-Nusra flag" as a "thank you".
Although Jabhat al-Nusra remains separate from the Free Syrian Army, many FSA leaders now recognise its strength and order their forces to cooperate with it.
Even mainstream opposition activists expressed anger at what they claimed was America's last-minute attempt to "muscle in on their revolution".
"It is terrible timing on the part of the United States," said Mulham Jundi, who works with the opposition charity Watan Syria. "By calling Jabhat al-Nusra terrorists, the US is legitimising the Syrian regime's bombardment of cities like Aleppo. Now the government can say it is attacking terrorists."
The West attempted to rectify this at the weekend by backing the formation of a new FSA command structure at a meeting in Turkey. Its new leadership, which sidelines former commanders such as Gen Mustafa al-Sheikh and Col Riad al-Assad, includes senior figures without a regime background. Many are linked to the Muslim Brotherhood or even more radical Salafi movements, but are thought to be men with whom the West "can do business".
Opposition fighters inside Syria told The Daily Telegraph that the US announcement was too little too late, and that any attempts by the West to intervene in Syria would be rejected. "We don't support the new FSA military command," said Ous al-Arabi, a spokesman of the Deir al-Zour Revolutionary council.
"The people are not going to accept intervention by the West now. You were watching us die, and now that we close to victory you want to intervene? You are not welcome."
Syrian rebels defy US and pledge allegiance to jihadi group - Telegraph
So much for what we or any in the West have to say.....huh?
I think one of the biggest reasons Libya turned out better quicker than Iraq was it had a government in place almost from the very beginning, and it was one completely locally created without overt foreign intervention which gave it a lot more legitimacy with the people. Overt foreign intervention came later in the form of air strikes and no fly zones, but no one perceived the new Libyan government as being an extension of any other government.
In Iraq it took us almost two years to even hold elections and begin creating a government, during that time the Iraqis had only the American lead Provisional Authority for a government. The problem was that many Iraqis didn't view it with any legitimacy because it was basically the occupation government of a foreign power, and especially lacking in that occupation government was a means of running a court system to resolve issues that people had. As a result people turned to their religious and tribal leaders for local government, this lead to their loyalties drifting away from the state and more towards these sectarian factions, add in a massive influx of arms to the country since the US military dissolved the Iraqi Army immediately and couldn't secure all its weapons and mutations, and you had a recipe for disaster.
If we can possible avoid that by helping to create a new Syria government now, and again one if not based on our values at least not radical Islamists, then maybe we can avoid a lot of the problems that we faced in Iraq.