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    Re: US provides aid to Syrian rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Libya is no success, and not even if you can compare it to Iraq. The TNC is there in name only. The Berbers will not accept rule by the MB. Also Right now Libya is the Wild Wild West with whats happening there. Which is why the most have pulled their Ambassadors out of the Country. Which doesn't even count AQ resurging like they are all around Africa. As for Iraq.....that's why Kerry is over there warning them to not allow the Iranians to use their Air Space.....huh? Plus the sectarian killing hasn't stopped. The Whole issue with the Kurds has not been dealt with. Plus Maliki is purging the Sunni Arabs any chance he can get and take.

    Also there is no reason to make any excuses for the Sunni Arab Rebels no matter what Countries that Are being given to them by those in the West.
    Yes both Libya and Iraq have internal problems, I don't deny that, but if you look at what was achieved in Libya as far as removing a dictator, setting up a new government, etc, its about as far along as Iraq was but far quicker, far cheaper, far less American death, and far less post war violence.

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    Re: US provides aid to Syrian rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    The Iranians, and by extension, the Syrian Loyalist forces, receive most of their military backing from Russia. Other than bodies for the meat grinder, Iraq isn't really in any shape to provide much of anything of value to the Iranians.

    Most of Shia militias we fought during the war were being actively supplied by the Iranians, as a matter of fact.


    I honestly don't really think he has much say in the matter either way. The militias do as they please and always have. Maliki hardly has them on a leash.



    I wouldn't be quite so sure about that. If he were to openly throw in his lot with the Iranians, he might very well open up the possibility of renewed civil war in his own country between the Sunnis, Shia, and Kurds. His power over the nation is hardly absolute, after all, and his primary interest has always seemed to be stability.

    He would also make his regime a prime target for Sunni extremist groups like Al Qaeda.

    I think he'd continue to turn a blind eye to the various Shia militias which would flock to Iran's cause, but I doubt his support would really go much beyond that. He honestly doesn't have all that much to offer the Iranians in the first place.
    Well AQ is already back there. Moreover he has been purging the government of the Sunni. Plus he did tell the Kurds to give up the VP. Which the Kurds told him the VP he needs to vacate the premises.

    Moreover the fate of Syria has already been decided as to what will take place there after Assad falls or is driven out of Office.....evidenced.

    Jabhat Al-Nursa's plans for a new Syria under sharia

    Jabhat Al Nusra has emerged as the most powerful fighting group amidst the Syrian rebel opposition. The Islamist group has outlined its plans to impose sharia law once President Assad is ousted.

    Sheikh Abu Ahmed, military commander of Jabhat Al Nusra, spoke with a reporter from the National. The Salafist leader said: "Our first goal is to get rid of Assad. Then we want a state where the Quran is the only source of law. Sharia is the right path for all humanity - all other laws make people unhappy."
    His vision of Syria under sharia is sure to make the populace happy, with alcohol, tobacco, cinema and immoral television shows banned. Ahmed claimed the people "will get used to it eventually."
    Al Qaeda has endorsed Al Nursa as the purest Islamic group in Syria.

    Read more: Jabhat Al-Nursa's plans for a new Syria under sharia

    Course they say the 1.8 million Christians will have nothing to fear at all.

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    Re: US provides aid to Syrian rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    really? How many American Ambassadors got murdered in Iraq?

    In fact Iraq become a failure when the majority of the troops pulled out, Afghanistan, which Obama claimed was the important war, is also a failure. The US is in retreat and the world knows it.

    Libya will go Islamic, like Egypt, as will Syria. Iraq will go nuclear and so will all those other Islamic States with whom it becomes aligned.

    This is what happens when people elect a know-nothing President whose opinions are better suited to the faculty lounge at a local high school than in the real world.


    It's a failed policy. What does it matter it its an expensive failed policy or a cheap failed policy?

    Good people with good intentions died, and are still dying, while American leaders cut, obfuscate, and run. You can now ask yourself what they died for and whether good men and women would ever defend their country again when such political betrayals consistently await them..
    Yes an American Ambassador being killed is a tragic event, but again compared to the thousands of dead and tens of thousands wounded from Iraq its clear which has cost us less blood overall.

    Iraq told US troops to get out, it was not a policy decision by the Bush or the Obama administration. The Iraqis told the USA that our troops will no longer have immunity from prosecution in Iraqi courts so we respectfully left. And lastly its bizarre you call Libya a failure of policy because an ambassador was killed but say nothing of the thousands of dead Americans in Iraq. You only say that Iraq was a failure when we left and Americans stopped dying, how can you hold both positions to be true? Do the value of the lives lost in Iraq not mean as much?

    Libya may fail, so may Iraq, its quite possible, however going on what we know today and what the situation is in both countries today, there's no denying that America got more for its blood and money out of Libya than Iraq.

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    Re: US provides aid to Syrian rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well AQ is already back there. Moreover he has been purging the government of the Sunni. Plus he did tell the Kurds to give up the VP. Which the Kurds told him the VP he needs to vacate the premises.

    Moreover the fate of Syria has already been decided as to what will take place there after Assad falls or is driven out of Office.....evidenced.

    Jabhat Al-Nursa's plans for a new Syria under sharia

    Jabhat Al Nusra has emerged as the most powerful fighting group amidst the Syrian rebel opposition. The Islamist group has outlined its plans to impose sharia law once President Assad is ousted.

    Sheikh Abu Ahmed, military commander of Jabhat Al Nusra, spoke with a reporter from the National. The Salafist leader said: "Our first goal is to get rid of Assad. Then we want a state where the Quran is the only source of law. Sharia is the right path for all humanity - all other laws make people unhappy."
    His vision of Syria under sharia is sure to make the populace happy, with alcohol, tobacco, cinema and immoral television shows banned. Ahmed claimed the people "will get used to it eventually."
    Al Qaeda has endorsed Al Nursa as the purest Islamic group in Syria.

    Read more: Jabhat Al-Nursa's plans for a new Syria under sharia

    Course they say the 1.8 million Christians will have nothing to fear at all.
    This is why Obama is working to fund the secular and moderate opposition so the Jihadists won't take over, something that you have criticized the President for. Tell us how you would help ensure the radicals don't take over the country?

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    Re: US provides aid to Syrian rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well AQ is already back there. Moreover he has been purging the government of the Sunni. Plus he did tell the Kurds to give up the VP. Which the Kurds told him the VP he needs to vacate the premises.

    Moreover the fate of Syria has already been decided as to what will take place there after Assad falls or is driven out of Office.....evidenced.

    Jabhat Al-Nursa's plans for a new Syria under sharia

    Jabhat Al Nusra has emerged as the most powerful fighting group amidst the Syrian rebel opposition. The Islamist group has outlined its plans to impose sharia law once President Assad is ousted.

    Sheikh Abu Ahmed, military commander of Jabhat Al Nusra, spoke with a reporter from the National. The Salafist leader said: "Our first goal is to get rid of Assad. Then we want a state where the Quran is the only source of law. Sharia is the right path for all humanity - all other laws make people unhappy."
    His vision of Syria under sharia is sure to make the populace happy, with alcohol, tobacco, cinema and immoral television shows banned. Ahmed claimed the people "will get used to it eventually."
    Al Qaeda has endorsed Al Nursa as the purest Islamic group in Syria.

    Read more: Jabhat Al-Nursa's plans for a new Syria under sharia

    Course they say the 1.8 million Christians will have nothing to fear at all.
    They've got to win first. The way things are going now, that could take a while.

    A lot could potentially change between now and then. Even then, Jabhat Al-Nursa does not speak for the entirety of the opposition movement.

    I've got to say though, I am honestly kind of curious as to how the Israelis would respond to something like that. I imagine that the Mossad would have quite a lot of work on their hands.

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    Re: US provides aid to Syrian rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Yes both Libya and Iraq have internal problems, I don't deny that, but if you look at what was achieved in Libya as far as removing a dictator, setting up a new government, etc, its about as far along as Iraq was but far quicker, far cheaper, far less American death, and far less post war violence.
    Well, you must not be keeping up on the news inside Libya then as the post war Violence hasn't stopped. Moreover Libya didn't have to contend with 3 different ethnicities. Moreover Libya was a gateway between East and West. Iraq wasn't and isn't. Course now neither is Libya anymore. Moreover the Rebels that were fighting in Mali are coming thru Libya.

    Our CIA has been compromised in Libya. Sources, Networks, Safehouses, can't say the same for Iraq.

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    Re: US provides aid to Syrian rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is why Obama is working to fund the secular and moderate opposition so the Jihadists won't take over, something that you have criticized the President for. Tell us how you would help ensure the radicals don't take over the country?
    Yeah, and what don't you get about 29 Opposition groups that have taken a Pledge and will defy the US? Despite what Obama has to say and who he will fund.

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    Re: US provides aid to Syrian rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well, you must not be keeping up on the news inside Libya then as the post war Violence hasn't stopped. Moreover Libya didn't have to contend with 3 different ethnicities. Moreover Libya was a gateway between East and West. Iraq wasn't and isn't. Course now neither is Libya anymore. Moreover the Rebels that were fighting in Mali are coming thru Libya.

    Our CIA has been compromised in Libya. Sources, Networks, Safehouses, can't say the same for Iraq.
    I didn't say it had stopped, are you even reading my posts? And Libya has its own internal divisions as well which are not unlike Iraq. Also Iraq doesn't have three different ethnic groups, there are the Sunni and Shia Arabs who have religious differences but are both Arab, which is their ethnic group, and the Kurds in the North which are of a different ethnic group.

    I fail to see what you mean by Libya being a gateway between East and West, could you elaborate some more?

    Lastly, no most rebels in Mali are not coming through Libya, Libya and Mali don't even border each other, most Mali fighters are coming from neighboring Algeria or Niger. What is coming from Libya though are weapons, that fell out of the hands of the government and rebels during the civil war in Libya and were taken or sold to Mali fighters of various groups. That is a 2nd order effect of a government once capable of securing its arms falling apart.

    Can you source your claim about the CIA being compromised?

    Yeah, and what don't you get about 29 Opposition groups that have taken a Pledge and will defy the US? Despite what Obama has to say and who he will fund.
    Source? And I know many groups won't work with the US, and frankly they don't have to, if they are moderate and not radicals we should be supporting them in their fight to both replace Assad and not be overcome by the radicals.

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    Re: US provides aid to Syrian rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I didn't say it had stopped, are you even reading my posts? And Libya has its own internal divisions as well which are not unlike Iraq. Also Iraq doesn't have three different ethnic groups, there are the Sunni and Shia Arabs who have religious differences but are both Arab, which is their ethnic group, and the Kurds in the North which are of a different ethnic group.

    I fail to see what you mean by Libya being a gateway between East and West, could you elaborate some more?

    Lastly, no most rebels in Mali are not coming through Libya, Libya and Mali don't even border each other, most Mali fighters are coming from neighboring Algeria or Niger. What is coming from Libya though are weapons, that fell out of the hands of the government and rebels during the civil war in Libya and were taken or sold to Mali fighters of various groups. That is a 2nd order effect of a government once capable of securing its arms falling apart.

    Can you source your claim about the CIA being compromised?



    Source? And I know many groups won't work with the US, and frankly they don't have to, if they are moderate and not radicals we should be supporting them in their fight to both replace Assad and not be overcome by the radicals.
    Uhm yes some of the Rebels fighting In Mali came thru Libya. Also the Marlboro-man created the incident with Algeria just recently remember. Are you saying they were not AQ affiliated.

    Also Did you forget about the US Consulate being attacked and the safe house as well as the CIA annex holding weapons was compromised.

    Source on Syria Opposition groups.....NP, evidenced.

    Syrian rebels defy US and pledge allegiance to jihadi group......

    Rebel groups across Syria are defying the United States by pledging their allegiance to a group that Washington will designate today a terrorist organization for its alleged links to al-Qaeda.



    A total of 29 opposition groups, including fighting "brigades" and civilian committees, have signed a petition calling for mass demonstrations in support of Jabhat al-Nusra, an Islamist group which the White House believes is an offshoot of al-Qaeda in Iraq.

    The petition is promoting the slogan "No to American intervention, for we are all Jabhat al-Nusra" and urges supporters to "raise the Jabhat al-Nusra flag" as a "thank you".

    Although Jabhat al-Nusra remains separate from the Free Syrian Army, many FSA leaders now recognise its strength and order their forces to cooperate with it.

    Even mainstream opposition activists expressed anger at what they claimed was America's last-minute attempt to "muscle in on their revolution".

    "It is terrible timing on the part of the United States," said Mulham Jundi, who works with the opposition charity Watan Syria. "By calling Jabhat al-Nusra terrorists, the US is legitimising the Syrian regime's bombardment of cities like Aleppo. Now the government can say it is attacking terrorists."

    The West attempted to rectify this at the weekend by backing the formation of a new FSA command structure at a meeting in Turkey. Its new leadership, which sidelines former commanders such as Gen Mustafa al-Sheikh and Col Riad al-Assad, includes senior figures without a regime background. Many are linked to the Muslim Brotherhood or even more radical Salafi movements, but are thought to be men with whom the West "can do business".

    Opposition fighters inside Syria told The Daily Telegraph that the US announcement was too little too late, and that any attempts by the West to intervene in Syria would be rejected. "We don't support the new FSA military command," said Ous al-Arabi, a spokesman of the Deir al-Zour Revolutionary council.

    "The people are not going to accept intervention by the West now. You were watching us die, and now that we close to victory you want to intervene? You are not welcome."

    Syrian rebels defy US and pledge allegiance to jihadi group - Telegraph

    So much for what we or any in the West have to say.....huh?

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    Re: US provides aid to Syrian rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Uhm yes some of the Rebels fighting In Mali came thru Libya. Also the Marlboro-man created the incident with Algeria just recently remember. Are you saying they were not AQ affiliated.

    Also Did you forget about the US Consulate being attacked and the safe house as well as the CIA annex holding weapons was compromised.

    Source on Syria Opposition groups.....NP, evidenced.

    Syrian rebels defy US and pledge allegiance to jihadi group......

    Rebel groups across Syria are defying the United States by pledging their allegiance to a group that Washington will designate today a terrorist organization for its alleged links to al-Qaeda.



    A total of 29 opposition groups, including fighting "brigades" and civilian committees, have signed a petition calling for mass demonstrations in support of Jabhat al-Nusra, an Islamist group which the White House believes is an offshoot of al-Qaeda in Iraq.

    The petition is promoting the slogan "No to American intervention, for we are all Jabhat al-Nusra" and urges supporters to "raise the Jabhat al-Nusra flag" as a "thank you".

    Although Jabhat al-Nusra remains separate from the Free Syrian Army, many FSA leaders now recognise its strength and order their forces to cooperate with it.

    Even mainstream opposition activists expressed anger at what they claimed was America's last-minute attempt to "muscle in on their revolution".

    "It is terrible timing on the part of the United States," said Mulham Jundi, who works with the opposition charity Watan Syria. "By calling Jabhat al-Nusra terrorists, the US is legitimising the Syrian regime's bombardment of cities like Aleppo. Now the government can say it is attacking terrorists."

    The West attempted to rectify this at the weekend by backing the formation of a new FSA command structure at a meeting in Turkey. Its new leadership, which sidelines former commanders such as Gen Mustafa al-Sheikh and Col Riad al-Assad, includes senior figures without a regime background. Many are linked to the Muslim Brotherhood or even more radical Salafi movements, but are thought to be men with whom the West "can do business".

    Opposition fighters inside Syria told The Daily Telegraph that the US announcement was too little too late, and that any attempts by the West to intervene in Syria would be rejected. "We don't support the new FSA military command," said Ous al-Arabi, a spokesman of the Deir al-Zour Revolutionary council.

    "The people are not going to accept intervention by the West now. You were watching us die, and now that we close to victory you want to intervene? You are not welcome."

    Syrian rebels defy US and pledge allegiance to jihadi group - Telegraph

    So much for what we or any in the West have to say.....huh?
    All the more reason to support the moderates then.

    I think one of the biggest reasons Libya turned out better quicker than Iraq was it had a government in place almost from the very beginning, and it was one completely locally created without overt foreign intervention which gave it a lot more legitimacy with the people. Overt foreign intervention came later in the form of air strikes and no fly zones, but no one perceived the new Libyan government as being an extension of any other government.

    In Iraq it took us almost two years to even hold elections and begin creating a government, during that time the Iraqis had only the American lead Provisional Authority for a government. The problem was that many Iraqis didn't view it with any legitimacy because it was basically the occupation government of a foreign power, and especially lacking in that occupation government was a means of running a court system to resolve issues that people had. As a result people turned to their religious and tribal leaders for local government, this lead to their loyalties drifting away from the state and more towards these sectarian factions, add in a massive influx of arms to the country since the US military dissolved the Iraqi Army immediately and couldn't secure all its weapons and mutations, and you had a recipe for disaster.

    If we can possible avoid that by helping to create a new Syria government now, and again one if not based on our values at least not radical Islamists, then maybe we can avoid a lot of the problems that we faced in Iraq.

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