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    US provides aid to Syrian rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I didn't miss any of that. We cannot allow a dictator to bomb their own with the airforce. Not in Libya and not in Syria.
    So we gotta team up with Alquaida ??

    Wasn't Alquaida the group responsible for 9-11??

    So, when did Alquaida become the good guys??

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    Re: US provides aid to Syrian rebels

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    Oh OK. It's certainly not clear to me what accomplishments she achieved.
    Senator, Sec...

    Pretty big stuff.

    A hawk? Is there any evidence of that apart from words?
    You mean does she fly?

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    Re: US provides aid to Syrian rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It's religious as well as political momentum and although many Islamic countries might be third worldish the fact is that they believe ion their cause, and it's not clear whether any western nations have beliefs which are as strong. How many people in western Europe, for example, would die for their religion or their country? Muslims, meanwhile, are lined up to sacrifice themselves for the glory of Islam. And all they need is a few human sacrifices here and there and we are quite prepared to appease and back off. They know it and we know it.

    Terrorism works.
    This is not universal. Syria and Egypt are actually fairly secular nations by Middle Eastern standards. The people of these nations are not going to sit idly by while Islamist radicals consolidate power.

    Thousands protest at Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood offices

    The Muslim Brotherhood is going to be in for a bit of a struggle if they want to make any kind of bid for regional dominance. If the Arab Nationalists weren't able to pull it off with Soviet backing during the Cold War, I highly doubt that a bunch of overly enthusiastic religious zealots will be able to either.

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    Re: US provides aid to Syrian rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    That depends upon whether or not they can maintain their political momentum. Egypt has proven to be a somewhat tricky beast to master so far.

    Besides, what does it really profit them to gain control over a devastated husk of a nation anyway? Let them have it, for all I care. As I said before, the Israelis can more than handle themselves.



    Perhaps, but this hasn't done Iran any particular favors so far. I also doubt that Maliki is in any great rush to toss in his lot with a lame horse.

    If anything, he has proven himself to be a self-interested and opportunistically minded nationalist.
    Iran is providing Northern Iraq with Electricity.....moreover How do you think Iran has been able to Provide weapons and those who just recently tried to take out the Syrian Defector Al-Asaad the Colonel of the Free Syrian Rebels. Allowing those Shia that want to go and kill Sunni have their free reign. Maliki will bow to the head Shi'te Cleric with no exception, and I am not talking about Al Sadr. Who makes himself known at will.

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    Re: US provides aid to Syrian rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    So we gotta team up with Alquaida ??

    Wasn't Alquaida the group responsible for 9-11??

    So, when did Alquaida become the good guys??
    The article claims the trainees are secular. Of course, you can invent whatever ya like.

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    Re: US provides aid to Syrian rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Senator, Sec...

    Pretty big stuff.
    So her accomplishment is becoming Sec of State, but nothing else.

    That sounds a lot like Barrack Obama's resume.

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    Re: US provides aid to Syrian rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    This is not universal. Syria and Egypt are actually fairly secular nations by Middle Eastern standards. The people of these nations are not going to sit idly by while Islamist radicals consolidate power.

    Thousands protest at Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood offices

    The Muslim Brotherhood is going to be in for a bit of a struggle if they want to make any kind of bid for regional dominance. If the Arab Nationalists weren't able to pull it off with Soviet backing during the Cold War, I highly doubt that a bunch of overly enthusiastic religious zealots will be able to either.
    Time will tell with Egypt. I am kind of surprised to see the army just sitting on their butts. But I do understand that Morsi has replaced a lot of the generals with his own folks which could explain that.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: US provides aid to Syrian rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    This is not universal. Syria and Egypt are actually fairly secular nations by Middle Eastern standards. The people of these nations are not going to sit idly by while Islamist radicals consolidate power.
    Historically they have been somewhat secular but history is changing very rapidly right now.

    New leaders mean new policies and we have eliminated those more secular leaders without having a clear idea who's taking their place. The Egyptians elected a strongly Islamic party and the second place finishers were also strongly Islamic,

    That's not enough. It may slow it down but the outcome is inevitable.

    The Muslim Brotherhood is going to be in for a bit of a struggle if they want to make any kind of bid for regional dominance. If the Arab Nationalists weren't able to pull it off with Soviet backing during the Cold War, I highly doubt that a bunch of overly enthusiastic religious zealots will be able to either.
    They are far better organized and sophisticated now than they were then.

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    Re: US provides aid to Syrian rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Iran is providing Northern Iraq with Electricity.....moreover How do you think Iran has been able to Provide weapons and those who just recently tried to take out the Syrian Defector Al-Asaad the Colonel of the Free Syrian Rebels.
    The Iranians, and by extension, the Syrian Loyalist forces, receive most of their military backing from Russia. Other than bodies for the meat grinder, Iraq isn't really in any shape to provide much of anything of value to the Iranians.

    Most of the Shia militias we fought during the war were being actively supplied by the Iranians, as a matter of fact. It's basically the only reason they posed a threat.

    Allowing those Shia that want to go and kill Sunni have their free reign.
    I honestly don't really think he has much say in the matter either way. The militias do as they please and always have. Maliki hardly has them on a leash.

    Maliki will bow to the head Shi'te Cleric with no exception, and I am not talking about Al Sadr. Who makes himself known at will.
    I wouldn't be quite so sure about that. If he were to openly throw in his lot with the Iranians, he might very well open up the possibility of renewed civil war in his own country between the Sunnis, Shia, and Kurds. His power over the nation is hardly absolute, after all, and his primary interest has always seemed to be stability.

    He would also make his regime a prime target for Sunni extremist groups like Al Qaeda.

    I think he'd continue to turn a blind eye to the various Shia militias which would flock to Iran's cause, but I doubt his support would really go much beyond that. He honestly doesn't have all that much to offer the Iranians in the first place.
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    Re: US provides aid to Syrian rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That's not enough. It may slow it down but the outcome is inevitable.
    Nothing is inevitable.

    They are far better organized and sophisticated now than they were then.
    Not by a long shot.

    United Arab Republic

    Arab Islamic Republic

    Federation of Arab Republics

    The Arab Nationalists actually had their affairs pretty well in order in comparison to the far more ad hoc Muslim Brotherhood. Things still pretty much always wound up falling apart in the longrun due to petty political squabbling over power and resources.

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