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    Re: US provides aid to Syrian rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I didn't miss any of that. We cannot allow a dictator to bomb their own with the airforce. Not in Libya and not in Syria.
    Why is that? It is an internal matter and none of our business.

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    Re: US provides aid to Syrian rebels

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    Why is that? It is an internal matter and none of our business.
    I disagree.

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    Re: US provides aid to Syrian rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The article claimed the fighters are secular, it seems the US government has more intel than you. Yes, we really need to be involved in dictators slaughtering their own people, we are morally obligated circumstance and context permits intervention. I don't care what we can afford, the US standard of living is too damn high. Well, when the transition government, under the guidance of the UN, starts bombing their own people with the airforce, then we know they are just as bad.

    You don't seem to be seeing the big picture here. The UN supporting the transitional government instead of Iran supporting a dictator. Which do you think is better?
    We already know they are bad.....they have massacred Christians. The Rebels don't even acknowledge the Oppositional leadership. They wont back the Free Syrian Army Faction. Jabhat al-Nusra has the backing of most of the Rebels. The Muslim Brotherhood is also involved. Moreover Qatar and the Saud are bankrolling their Sunni Brothers. Yet Neither one.....the Saudi or Qatar themselves would dare attack Syria. Both could team up and it wouldn't matter. Knowing they would get their azzes kicked and stomped on. Let their Azzes pay for all their Sunni brothers. Let them be the ones to get all involved as it should be. It's their War, on the bottom line with Sunni and Shi'te.

    Syrian rebels defy US and pledge allegiance to jihadi group.....

    Rebel groups across Syria are defying the United States by pledging their allegiance to a group that Washington will designate today a terrorist organization for its alleged links to al-Qaeda.

    A total of 29 opposition groups, including fighting "brigades" and civilian committees, have signed a petition calling for mass demonstrations in support of Jabhat al-Nusra, an Islamist group which the White House believes is an offshoot of al-Qaeda in Iraq.

    The petition is promoting the slogan "No to American intervention, for we are all Jabhat al-Nusra" and urges supporters to "raise the Jabhat al-Nusra flag" as a "thank you".

    Although Jabhat al-Nusra remains separate from the Free Syrian Army, many FSA leaders now recognise its strength and order their forces to cooperate with it.

    Even mainstream opposition activists expressed anger at what they claimed was America's last-minute attempt to "muscle in on their revolution".

    "It is terrible timing on the part of the United States," said Mulham Jundi, who works with the opposition charity Watan Syria. "By calling Jabhat al-Nusra terrorists, the US is legitimising the Syrian regime's bombardment of cities like Aleppo. Now the government can say it is attacking terrorists."

    The rise of Jabhat al-Nusra represents the Americans' worst fear they refused to arm the rebels earlier in the conflict to avoid weapons falling into the hands of jihadists, only to find that in their absence, jihadi groups well-funded by supporters in the Gulf have risen to prominence.

    The West attempted to rectify this at the weekend by backing the formation of a new FSA command structure at a meeting in Turkey. Its new leadership, which sidelines former commanders such as Gen Mustafa al-Sheikh and Col Riad al-Assad, includes senior figures without a regime background. Many are linked to the Muslim Brotherhood or even more radical Salafi movements, but are thought to be men with whom the West "can do business".....snip~

    Syrian rebels defy US and pledge allegiance to jihadi group - Telegraph

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    Re: US provides aid to Syrian rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by hfd View Post
    US training Syrian opposition forces in Jordan for months, sources say | Fox News

    "The training program, first reported by the Associated Press, involves classes of about 50 to 60 secular Syrian fighters led by about 100 American trainers, a number that was capped by the Jordanian government. The program is part of a bid to bolster forces battling President Bashar Assad's regime and stem the influence of Islamist radicals among the country's persistently splintered opposition."


    Why are we doing this? Do we know who the 'Syrian' rebels are? Far away and long ago we got involved in another Civil War in SE Asia. And, if things are so dire fiscally, how can we afford this?
    From what I understand it is not the U.S. military doing the training and the training is either those whom we know are not AQ or terrorist or we are training the Jordanians so they can in turn train the Syrian opposition to Assad.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: US provides aid to Syrian rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by hfd View Post


    Why are we doing this? Do we know who the 'Syrian' rebels are? Far away and long ago we got involved in another Civil War in SE Asia. And, if things are so dire fiscally, how can we afford this?
    I dont know, a lot of conservatives who are apologists for Bush and the Iraq war would say "That Saddam was evil and massacring his own people so we had to throw him out". Well wouldnt one say that "Assad is evil and is massacring his own people so we have to help the rebels throw him out"?


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    Re: US provides aid to Syrian rebels

    foreign interventionism is seldom a worthwhile venture. I have a feeling the Syrian conflict is going to get much worse before things improve. Which is terrible considering how bad things have gotten already.

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    Re: US provides aid to Syrian rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I dont know, a lot of conservatives who are apologists for Bush and the Iraq war would say "That Saddam was evil and massacring his own people so we had to throw him out". Well wouldnt one say that "Assad is evil and is massacring his own people so we have to help the rebels throw him out"?
    Well, looking back there is quite a lot of liberals and progressives that were Apologists for all sorts of Military Engagements. Which usually happens anytime they deal with anything Outside the US. Let alone Iraq. Basically due to always being screw ups, making mistakes and misreading Foreign Policy. Just can't get it together when it comes to where the Big Boys Play.

    Like not recognizing that it is evil to massacre one grouping of people, while only recognizing; the evil massacring.....by another. Then defend those whom have no defense.

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    Re: US provides aid to Syrian rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well, looking back there is quite a lot of liberals and progressives that were Apologists for all sorts of Military Engagements. Which usually happens anytime they deal with anything Outside the US. Let alone Iraq. Basically due to always being screw ups, making mistakes and misreading Foreign Policy. Just can't get it together when it comes to where the Big Boys Play.

    Like not recognizing that it is evil to massacre one grouping of people, while only recognizing; the evil massacring.....by another. Then defend those whom have no defense.
    Are you saying liberals and progressives always make mistakes when it comes to war? Did you forget the 8 years of the Bush foreign policy?


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    Re: US provides aid to Syrian rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Are you saying liberals and progressives always make mistakes when it comes to war? Did you forget the 8 years of the Bush foreign policy?
    Did you forget NAM and that 56k? Think anything can possible ever compare? Did ya forget their latest screw up with Libya? Their mistakes with the Russians. Getting outplayed by the French as well as those Sunni Arabs.

    Now How about defending those that massacre others who have no weapons.....yet defend them Staunchly in the UN?

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    Re: US provides aid to Syrian rebels

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Did you forget NAM and that 56k? Think anything can possible ever compare? Did ya forget their latest screw up with Libya? Their mistakes with the Russians. Getting outplayed by the French as well as those Sunni Arabs.

    Now How about defending those that massacre others who have no weapons.....yet defend them Staunchly in the UN?
    What the flying **** are you talking about


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