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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Because they put that it was a "claim"? That's extremely common. And btw, it's the mot honest heading that you could put until more evidence comes out showing that his claims are true. It's not saying it did or didn't happen, it's just reporting on the claim. That's completely unbiased reporting.

    You're making an assumption that because this was done by one teacher it's a common thing. This is the first time I've ever heard of this. If you had millions of college kids every year having to do this, you'd be hearing about it before now.



    I think it's a stupid procedure if this actually happened, and if she was trying to make a point she could have very easily made the point with something else besides someone's religion included, but you are over reacting and jumping to conclusions without all the facts. Not to mention you are acting like this is a common occurrence. It's not.
    To try to make her absurd method point, she could have legally used "Obama" or "mother" to stomp on.

    Requiring someone to stop on the name of a person God? And suspending the student for not doing so? Wow, if ever there was a lawsuit for violating separation of church and state - from the pro-religion side - that might be it. Using public funds to have people stomp on their God's name???

    COULD YOU IMAGINE IF the teacher had instead had students write "Barack Hussein Obama" on the paper and then to stomp on it?

    As for trying to show "the power of words" since only 1 student refused, the professor disproved her point. In addition, the professor - with the suspension - proved the only true power words have concerns punitive censorship by the powers that be.

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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    I have no formal education and sometimes wish I did of course. Stories like this seem to tell me that formal education is often juvenile, bizarre and with teachers who just mess with the kids almost like sicko or pothead pranks and reasoning.

    It is sad to think all the other students went along with it, isn't it?

    Finally, I do think that MANY professors try to break kids of their religious values and upbringing - and that in government funded schools that should be very illegal. I think the prohibition against the government establishing a religion includes the government not trying to eliminate religion - and I believe that within that context proactive atheism is as much a "religion."

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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I have no formal education and sometimes wish I did of course. Stories like this seem to tell me that formal education is often juvenile, bizarre and with teachers who just mess with the kids almost like sicko or pothead pranks and reasoning.

    It is sad to think all the other students went along with it, isn't it?

    Finally, I do think that MANY professors try to break kids of their religious values and upbringing - and that in government funded schools that should be very illegal. I think the prohibition against the government establishing a religion includes the government not trying to eliminate religion - and I believe that within that context proactive atheism is as much a "religion."
    I educated myself as well.. Yeah I went to college but I also dropped out of high school...

    Teaching yourself without being taught is fun - you can learn whatever you want at any pace instead of being told what to learn.

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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I agree. A few days ago when I first read about this, the article linked to Rateaprof.com. Professor Poole's most recent reviews were from a few years ago with one addition, that new review being posted on 3-23. Interesting.

    From the last paragraph of the article linked on p. 1: "So far, 2013 has been a controversial year for the university. In January, associate professor James Tracy questioned on his personal blog whether the Sandy Hook massacre happened. Then in February, FAU became the subject of protests when it named its stadium after the GEO Group, a prison company that donated $6 million to the university."

    FAU is not having a good year so far.

    I wonder why the student was enrolled in this particular class and whether he violated FAU's civility code, whatever that is. I wonder why Poole chose Jesus as the "symbol." He's not dumb; he knew how outrageous this was. Remember Adrienne Pine, the breastfeeding-during-lecture prof? She knew what she was doing too.
    I've participated in some interested 'studies' in my anthropology class that were aimed at trying to get the student to see the world from other people's perspective. Usually - when strange activities are gone into they're done so to 1) get people to experience their emotions/thoughts . . . 2) later discuss what they were feeling/thinking.

    The weirdest thing I ever did was hold hands all class with another male student. We were 'maintaining contact as would be done as part of a ceremony in ___' - something like that. But in the US hand-holding has a different meaning so to say I was uncomfortable was an understatement.

    Then - we talked about it and why it bothered him very little and me so much.
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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Let the teacher teach. If the student has a problem with the professor's methods, he can quietly leave the class (since he's under no obligation to be there) and withdraw from the course. As much as I find the professor's method unprofessional, we have to respect the sovereignty of professors to teach the way they see fit.

    I'm also highly suspect of the notion that he was suspended JUST for refusing to do the assignment. Students are under no obligation whatsoever to do these things. I imagine the student made a scene about it, or some other inappropriate behavior that led to this suspension.
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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I've participated in some interested 'studies' in my anthropology class that were aimed at trying to get the student to see the world from other people's perspective. Usually - when strange activities are gone into they're done so to 1) get people to experience their emotions/thoughts . . . 2) later discuss what they were feeling/thinking.

    The weirdest thing I ever did was hold hands all class with another male student. We were 'maintaining contact as would be done as part of a ceremony in ___' - something like that. But in the US hand-holding has a different meaning so to say I was uncomfortable was an understatement.

    Then - we talked about it and why it bothered him very little and me so much.
    Hold up... Your professor made you hold hands and lock eyes with another individual of the same sex?

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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I have no formal education and sometimes wish I did of course. Stories like this seem to tell me that formal education is often juvenile, bizarre and with teachers who just mess with the kids almost like sicko or pothead pranks and reasoning.

    It is sad to think all the other students went along with it, isn't it?

    Finally, I do think that MANY professors try to break kids of their religious values and upbringing - and that in government funded schools that should be very illegal. I think the prohibition against the government establishing a religion includes the government not trying to eliminate religion - and I believe that within that context proactive atheism is as much a "religion."
    This is perfectly acceptable behavior for professors. Adults go to college. If they're political/religious/moral beliefs are so fragile that they broken because some stranger told them to question them then perhaps it was a good thing they were made to question in the first place. For me, spending so many years in an environment hostile to my positions only strengthened them, because I better understood the whole picture, and I had a refined understanding. Kind of like a sharpening stone.

    I only wish academia had a better representation of differing viewpoints. The only conservatives I really met in college were math and science professors who never really talked about it. More social classes need conservatives teachers that do things like this that question the left-wing perspective.
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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Hold up... Your professor made you hold hands and lock eyes with another individual of the same sex?
    Opposite sex.
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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I have no formal education and sometimes wish I did of course. Stories like this seem to tell me that formal education is often juvenile, bizarre and with teachers who just mess with the kids almost like sicko or pothead pranks and reasoning.

    It is sad to think all the other students went along with it, isn't it?

    Finally, I do think that MANY professors try to break kids of their religious values and upbringing - and that in government funded schools that should be very illegal. I think the prohibition against the government establishing a religion includes the government not trying to eliminate religion - and I believe that within that context proactive atheism is as much a "religion."
    A few profs do use their classrooms as bully pulpits, but most do not. A lot do have their pet theories in their fields, of course, but these days there is significant assessment pressure, and accrediting agencies require measurable targets. These require sticking to the script, the syllabus. Stories such as this make the news because they're extraordinary rather than ordinary.

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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    Opposite sex.
    I'd throw a chair across the room and say "analyze that."

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