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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It's not a fringe thing. What I'm implying is that the elders of the church thought this young man was sick.
    Sick in what way? "Sick" is a pretty broad term....

    And I don't think "reporting offensive lesson" is the right phrase, either, based on the links above.
    Oh, you mean the articles defending the school and making excuses for the teacher? Oh ok, I got ya.....
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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    The explanation was as lame as the exercise. stomping on a piece of paper has what intellectual merit?
    The student is not required to step on the paper. If the student doesn't want to step on it, they will not be forced or coerced to do so. The exercise expects that most students will not step on the paper.

    The point of the exercise is to illustrates how we reify words.

    If you write your name on a piece of paper, and someone steps on it, are you harmed at all by this action? Of course not. It's a piece of paper with some ink on it, not a mystical link to your soul.

    If you receive a flyer from Walmart with a big American flag all over it, and you throw it in the trash, are you insulting your nation's flag? Of course not, you probably don't even think about it. Even if you stepped on it, willingly, that does not prove that you're unpatriotic or un-American. It shows that you can distinguish between a symbol and a real object.

    Or, in other scenarios, this exercise used to [i]reinforce and discuss one's faith[/b], as it makes people explain why they won't step on the paper.

    Most people fail to understand the power of words and representations, and separate the symbol from the real object. The exercise tries to make this clear. And the exercise is over 30 years old -- and this is the first complaint. So yes, it has intellectual merit.

    Nor was the student suspended for a refusal to step on the paper -- as that's what most students did. He was suspended because the teacher claims the student threatened him after class.

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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    The student is not required to step on the paper. If the student doesn't want to step on it, they will not be forced or coerced to do so. The exercise expects that most students will not step on the paper.

    The point of the exercise is to illustrates how we reify words.

    If you write your name on a piece of paper, and someone steps on it, are you harmed at all by this action? Of course not. It's a piece of paper with some ink on it, not a mystical link to your soul.

    If you receive a flyer from Walmart with a big American flag all over it, and you throw it in the trash, are you insulting your nation's flag? Of course not, you probably don't even think about it. Even if you stepped on it, willingly, that does not prove that you're unpatriotic or un-American. It shows that you can distinguish between a symbol and a real object.

    Or, in other scenarios, this exercise used to [i]reinforce and discuss one's faith[/b], as it makes people explain why they won't step on the paper.

    Most people fail to understand the power of words and representations, and separate the symbol from the real object. The exercise tries to make this clear. And the exercise is over 30 years old -- and this is the first complaint. So yes, it has intellectual merit.

    Nor was the student suspended for a refusal to step on the paper -- as that's what most students did. He was suspended because the teacher claims the student threatened him after class.
    NO, you're right...The student was kicked out of class until resolution because he told the teacher that he would be reporting the complaint, and said "I'll be back".... The wuss teacher made that into a threat and the school tried to charge the student with Code violations....Cowards.
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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    NO, you're right...The student was kicked out of class until resolution because he told the teacher that he would be reporting the complaint, and said "I'll be back".... The wuss teacher made that into a threat and the school tried to charge the student with Code violations....Cowards.
    A lot depends on just how he said he'd be back.


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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    A lot depends on just how he said he'd be back.



    Yeah, you go with that one Ditto... Still a weasel way to approach it....I'll say it again, the teacher is a wuss.
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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    NO, you're right...The student was kicked out of class until resolution because he told the teacher that he would be reporting the complaint, and said "I'll be back".... The wuss teacher made that into a threat and the school tried to charge the student with Code violations....Cowards.
    I have no idea whether the prof's complaint is or is not valid.

    What I can say is that if the prof did feel threatened, he had every right to report the student. And no, your macho nonsense does not apply here. If there was a problem, the administration needs to know about it. The inverse is obviously true; if a professor tells a student "I'm going to get back at you for this," the student ought to report the prof.

    More to the point, though, is that the student was not being penalized for refusing to step on the paper. He's being penalized for his alleged conduct after class. Which means most of the uproar over this is wrong, fails to understand how the exercise works, and has no real interest in understanding it. They see the words "step on Jesus" and lose their minds.

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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yeah, you go with that one Ditto... Still a weasel way to approach it....I'll say it again, the teacher is a wuss.
    Could be, I don't know. I wasn't there. It could also be that the student was threatening.
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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    A Christian student wouldn't lie about such a thing, knowing his victim can't answer back by law, would he?
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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    A Christian student wouldn't lie about such a thing, knowing his victim can't answer back by law, would he?
    Oh, no, of course not. Lying would dishonor his religion. Stepping on a piece of paper wouldn't.
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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Of course not. How PC would it be to complain about his religion being derided? He wouldn't do that, either.
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