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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Maybe, maybe not. I wasn't there, so I don't know. Or maybe the University knows that continuing to persecute this student for simply refusing to blaspheme his own religious beliefs is not a good fight to continue either in practical, or PR terms for the university....If that is the case I sure hope they have at least a good conference with the teacher involved and tell her to back off that type of volatile imagery based teaching.
    Actually, it was a good lesson. "The power of words. The power of symbols." The teacher just didn't teach it properly.
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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Maybe I just read it with a biased eye....However, I thought the use of the word "Claims" lent an air that the student was lying here.
    Most likely he was, although we don't have enough information. If we believe the university, it had nothing to do with what happened in the classroom -- and everything to do with his behavior post-class.
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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Thanks for that Ditto....Now to those that were jumping off saying that maybe the kid was a bully, or maybe the student acted out inappropriately or the like...What say you now that the University is apologizing for the assignment? I don't think if it were the students fault that the University would be apologizing....
    I suspect the University is "apologising" because of the controversy rather than acknowledgement of any wrong-doing on it's part, like any big business would in a similar situation.

    Anyway, even if it were deemed that the demonstration was inappropriate, that doesn't automatically mean the student responded appropriately to it. This really doesn't add any more factual information about the incident itself.

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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    I suspect the University is "apologising" because of the controversy rather than acknowledgement of any wrong-doing on it's part, like any big business would in a similar situation.

    Anyway, even if it were deemed that the demonstration was inappropriate, that doesn't automatically mean the student responded appropriately to it. This really doesn't add any more factual information about the incident itself.
    I think it would have been more appropriate had the university apologized for the way the "lesson" was taught. There was nothing wrong with the lesson itself. We really don't have all the facts. As usual.
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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    Having read about this elsewhere, I can point out that the lesson (as written in the text book at least) has nothing to do with atheism. The demonstration is about the power of words and symbols.

    There are clearly not enough details public to make a definitive statement (nor should there be). In general, a student should be free to refuse to actually carry out the demonstration and shouldn't suffer in any way for that. Equally though, that refusal should be made calmly and reasonably. Given the reported code of conduct charges, there is an accusation that he crossed that line at some point in the sequence of events (meaning he hasn't been disciplined yet and may well not be at all). Exactly when, how, why and indeed if that happened isn't at all clear.

    Jumping to conclusions, throwing out terms like Marxist and Nazi is totally inappropriate given the lack of information. Ironically, it's the kind of knee-jerk reaction that can lead to cases like this in the first place.

    Incidentally, the CBS headline you quote reads like a straight statement of facts. Maybe you perceive bias in it because neutral headlines are such a rarity in the media.
    The trouble is that the school can't say anything about what happened because it's confidential according to the law. All they can do is issue general statements, so we don't know their side of the story at all.

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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I am glad that you consider the lesson in this case ridiculous...However, the anecdotal may not be conclusive, I don't think it is arguable that our education system at the university level is dominated by leftist on the political spectrum, and if no studies exist researching the effects of political ideology forced upon the curriculum then maybe there needs to be...I won't hold my breath though, it would be like asking someone to admit what they are doing is underhanded, and wrong.
    The only professor of mine who even remotely expressed political ideology was an ethics professor, and he was conservative. I couldn't tell you the political lean of my advanced aerodynamics professor. The macroeconomics guy would be best described as ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ and in meteorology I couldn't say either because I literally fell asleep there.

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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    The trouble is that the school can't say anything about what happened because it's confidential according to the law.
    I'd say the trouble is that the student can and has. In the vast majority of cases, it'd be much better if this kind of thing was kept out of the public domain until after any disciplinary/legal processes have completed. Sadly much of the media (and a lot of it's customers) is much more interested in the juicy story in the speculation today rather that the boring reality in the facts in six months time.

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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Don't you just love how the CBS station here takes the side of the University in the headline?

    More.....





    You have got to be kidding here....What the heck is going on in these classrooms of supposed "higher education"?



    How typical. Marxist educrats playing semantic games with the story to deflect, and distort their reprehensible actions thus far....



    wow, what a little Nazi authoritarian this educrat view themselves as....Let's see, Marxist teacher wants to make a point about their own beliefs in atheism, So he/she devises a participatory exercise in making people do something that some may find wrong, even shocking, and when confronted by a student that refuses to participate in that exercise, Marxist teacher goes after the dissenter in true Alinsky fashion....

    I don't know why anyone pays for this **** anymore....

    Thoughts....
    Thoughts? You're not allowed to have thoughts - you do as you're told.

    The purpose of "higher education" is not education but rather progressive brainwashing...

    I burned my degree long ago - a) it was just a piece of useless paper, b) all it meant was the simple fact I was "officially brainwashed", 3) I didn't learn a damn thing, d) it's just a reminder that I wasted money by paying an institution to brainwash me just so I could "prove" to idiots that I was officially brainwashed.

    A few years ago I read a story about a anthropology/sociology professor who told her students to go out and have a "homosexual relationship" and when one student objected she was booted out of the class.

    Of course not all colleges are bad and not all classes are bad but many are based on progressive ideas and are instructed in a progressive manner by progressives with a progressive worldview.

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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Are we sure it is "one idiot"? or is it a culture in education that views institutions of higher learning as a way to politically mold the individual above actually providing fields of learning? Also, I think the term "anti education" is toxic to actual conversation in this. That is a horrible label that uses a broad brush to paint those seeking to take the teachers personal politics out of the classroom, as someone who is against education. That is wrong.
    Yes, it is one idiot. There are no doubt other idiots in the college classrooms, but this story is about one of them. Further, yes, generalizing from one outrageous incident to claim that colleges are just hotbeds of some misguided liberal philosophy with an agenda of indoctrinating students is anti education.
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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Yes, it is one idiot. There are no doubt other idiots in the college classrooms, but this story is about one of them. Further, yes, generalizing from one outrageous incident to claim that colleges are just hotbeds of some misguided liberal philosophy with an agenda of indoctrinating students is anti education.
    Well, then we are back to my original question aren't we? How many of these types of incidents do we need to read about before we start to look at the reason we are seeing these stories happen with more frequency as time goes on? To just dismiss it out of hand and attempt to make it about me, rather than the larger question is just not addressing the topic, sorry.
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