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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Wow.. The kid may be belligerence. But his heart is in the right place and this teacher is a complete, passive-aggressive moron. The kid provided the perfect reaction to ensue a good discussion and this professor completely failed the students. "I was just following the book" lol.. "I never told them to stomp on it, I said 'lay it on the ground and step on it' it was up to them and their choice."

    Thats like walking up to every student and whispering "Your mom was a stupid whore" and then chastising the kid who's mom died early in life when he explodes. The point was to show how symbolic gestures can affect some more than others and figure out why. And this idiot used his disdain of the kids belligerency in his punishment instead of accepting what he did. "It was in the book" isnt a good enough reason not fully subvert blame when purposely instigating.

    He should have told the kid "Thank you for your position would you care to please explain more to the class to they can perhaps understand this lesson better?" and tried to calm him down instead of instantly punishing him for his "extreme" belief.
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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Wow.. The kid may be belligerence. But his heart is in the right place and this teacher is a complete, passive-aggressive moron. The kid provided the perfect reaction to ensue a good discussion and this professor completely failed the students. "I was just following the book" lol.. "I never told them to stomp on it, I said 'lay it on the ground and step on it' it was up to them and their choice."

    Thats like walking up to every student and whispering "Your mom was a stupid whore" and then chastising the kid who's mom died early in life when he explodes. The point was to show how symbolic gestures can affect some more than others and figure out why. And this idiot used his disdain of the kids belligerency in his punishment instead of accepting what he did. "It was in the book" isnt a good enough reason not fully subvert blame when purposely instigating.

    He should have told the kid "Thank you for your position would you care to please explain more to the class to they can perhaps understand this lesson better?" and tried to calm him down instead of instantly punishing him for his "extreme" belief.

    Wow! You must have read some other article than the one linked to, because I didn't get the same impressions that you mention in your comment.

    also - quote mining doesn't work that well when the text is there for all to read.
    Your clipped quote -"I never told them to stomp on it, I said 'lay it on the ground and step on it' it was up to them and their choice." leaving off the last few words, "Now let's discuss it."

    Pray tell the readers: How is asking students to step on a piece of paper with a name written on it, the same as telling students that their mothers were "stupid whores"?

    You call ignoring the student's disrespectful words in the classroom, instant punishment? A tad sensitive are you? Explanation by students as to why they stepped on the paper or refused was the purpose of the exercise. Apparently Mr Rotela's reaction was purely emotional and he lacked the intellectual capacity for explaining just why he would not step on a piece of paper with the word "Jesus" written on it. Without rational explanation he fell back on the always 'best' move - threats.

    Anyway, that is what I got from the article.

    Oh yeah, why are modern American Christians so often belligerent toward those they see as casting aspersions upon their faith? What happened to "turn the other cheek"?

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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Wow! You must have read some other article than the one linked to, because I didn't get the same impressions that you mention in your comment.

    also - quote mining doesn't work that well when the text is there for all to read.
    Your clipped quote -"I never told them to stomp on it, I said 'lay it on the ground and step on it' it was up to them and their choice." leaving off the last few words, "Now let's discuss it."

    Pray tell the readers: How is asking students to step on a piece of paper with a name written on it, the same as telling students that their mothers were "stupid whores"?

    You call ignoring the student's disrespectful words in the classroom, instant punishment? A tad sensitive are you? Explanation by students as to why they stepped on the paper or refused was the purpose of the exercise. Apparently Mr Rotela's reaction was purely emotional and he lacked the intellectual capacity for explaining just why he would not step on a piece of paper with the word "Jesus" written on it. Without rational explanation he fell back on the always 'best' move - threats.

    Anyway, that is what I got from the article.

    Oh yeah, why are modern American Christians so often belligerent toward those they see as casting aspersions upon their faith? What happened to "turn the other cheek"?

    Matthew 5:39, KJV I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
    You may believe that only mouths can speak. But that would be wrong. Just because dont hold a specific thing dear to you doesn't mean someone else doesn't. If you believe there is a god who deserves respect and you ask me to step on him knowiningly then you are asking me to lie. Some people are not comfortable with this. The exercise was designed to provoke yet when a student was provoked he was treated with the air of "Ba-dum, dum dum dum. Another one bites the dust" Humiliated after being baited and then treated as an outcast instead of solving this issue. Hence providing a fruitful lesson. Instead the proffesor's lesson ended up being "Religion is stupid, there goes that crazy. We did this by the books and which said this is a sensitive topic."

    Is the exercise "figure out the struggles of non-tangible symbolic things and discuss" or "bait a person with extreme respect for religion and try to get him to ostracize himself". Well... We have what everyone said and we have what happened. Kid was removed for shaking his fist and saying "I'm telling on you".

    Obviously the professor and kid hated each other and they both used this as an excuse to strike at each other. The teacher should have been wiser IMO.
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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Wow.. The kid may be belligerence. But his heart is in the right place and this teacher is a complete, passive-aggressive moron. The kid provided the perfect reaction to ensue a good discussion and this professor completely failed the students. "I was just following the book" lol.. "I never told them to stomp on it, I said 'lay it on the ground and step on it' it was up to them and their choice."

    Thats like walking up to every student and whispering "Your mom was a stupid whore" and then chastising the kid who's mom died early in life when he explodes. The point was to show how symbolic gestures can affect some more than others and figure out why. And this idiot used his disdain of the kids belligerency in his punishment instead of accepting what he did. "It was in the book" isnt a good enough reason not fully subvert blame when purposely instigating.

    He should have told the kid "Thank you for your position would you care to please explain more to the class to they can perhaps understand this lesson better?" and tried to calm him down instead of instantly punishing him for his "extreme" belief.
    I didn't read that from the article.
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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    You may believe that only mouths can speak. But that would be wrong. Just because dont hold a specific thing dear to you doesn't mean someone else doesn't. If you believe there is a god who deserves respect and you ask me to step on him knowiningly then you are asking me to lie. Some people are not comfortable with this. The exercise was designed to provoke yet when a student was provoked he was treated with the air of "Ba-dum, dum dum dum. Another one bites the dust" Humiliated after being baited and then treated as an outcast instead of solving this issue. Hence providing a fruitful lesson. Instead the proffesor's lesson ended up being "Religion is stupid, there goes that crazy. We did this by the books and which said this is a sensitive topic."

    Is the exercise "figure out the struggles of non-tangible symbolic things and discuss" or "bait a person with extreme respect for religion and try to get him to ostracize himself". Well... We have what everyone said and we have what happened. Kid was removed for shaking his fist and saying "I'm telling on you".

    Obviously the professor and kid hated each other and they both used this as an excuse to strike at each other. The teacher should have been wiser IMO.

    Sorry, I don't believe "that only mouths can speak" nor did the the professor who is being attacked and threatened because of what was apparently a pre-planned action by the student and others, nor did the professor who created the exercise and included it in the textbook. The whole purpose of the "step on Jesus (or don't) exercise is to illustrate to a class the importance of symbols.

    Those with the intellectual capacity to understand this would be able to respond appropriately, it is rather evident, at least to me, that Mr Rotela either didn't have that capacity or his reaction was pre-planned. This was not something new at FAU, the class has been taught for several years using the Intercultural Communications textbook. As the majority of students are Christian, one could easily assume that the exercise has been discussed outside of the class room.

    Please note exactly where the writer of the textbook teaches
    ‘Step on Jesus’ creator: Activity intended to appreciate, not... | www.palmbeachpost.com

    It has become known as Florida Atlantic University’s “stomp-on-Jesus” exercise, cited by critics from Gov. Rick Scott to TV commentators to blog posters as an example of a secular university belittling traditional faith.

    But the textbook author who came up with the idea of asking students to write “Jesus” on a piece of paper and then step on it says the activity was never intended to denigrate Christianity and usually bolsters the faith of his own students.

    “I don’t know what happened at FAU,” said James Neuliep, a professor of communication and media studies at St. Norbert College, a 2,200-student Catholic school near Green Bay, Wis.

    “In my classroom, when I use it, it’s done respectfully. The students walk away having reaffirmed their faith. It’s not an attack, it’s a reaffirmation,” Neuliep said.
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    “This exercise is a bit sensitive,” the manual says, “but really drives home the point that even though symbols are arbitrary, they take on very strong and emotional meanings.”
    Here's the quote that leads me to believe, not know, that the controversy was ginned-up as a deliberate attack on not only the professor but also the school.
    Neuliep said the exercise has been part of the instructor’s manual for at least 10 years and he’s never heard of it causing any controversy until the case at FAU.
    dirtpoorchris wrote: "We have what everyone said and we have what happened." Only the first part is correct - at this time we do not know what happened in the classroom on the day in question.
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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    The facts of the case are quite different from the "liberal teacher throws student out of class for refusing to stomp on Jesus" story, aren't they?

    I found this interesting:

    "They've been very supportive of me," he said. "They've been praying for me. They put me in the middle of a circle and the pastor anointed me with oil and placed his hands on me while they prayed for me. It's been part of my life since I was a child."
    Wasn't it reported that Rotella was a Mormon?

    That describes what Mormons do when someone is sick. Was Rotella sick?
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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The facts of the case are quite different from the "liberal teacher throws student out of class for refusing to stomp on Jesus" story, aren't they?

    I found this interesting:



    Wasn't it reported that Rotella was a Mormon?

    That describes what Mormons do when someone is sick. Was Rotella sick?
    More like, student kicked out of class by school for reporting offensive lesson. But, the larger question is, although many religions lay hands on those being prayed for, why are you trying to make it seem like some fringe thing?
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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    More like, student kicked out of class by school for reporting offensive lesson. But, the larger question is, although many religions lay hands on those being prayed for, why are you trying to make it seem like some fringe thing?
    It's not a fringe thing. What I'm implying is that the elders of the church thought this young man was sick.

    And I don't think "reporting offensive lesson" is the right phrase, either, based on the links above.
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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    The name of Jesus is considered sacred, when most Christians pray they start or finish or both, in the name of Jesus. The lesson, whatever it may have been was inflammatory and inciteful. I doubt the teacher would have had the stones to give the class a few pages of the Quran and tell them to use the loo and wipe their backsides with those pages.

    That's just as symbolic.

    The fact that this has become the issue it has only shows that people really aren't all that mature when dealing with and showing respect for other people.

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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    The name of Jesus is considered sacred, when most Christians pray they start or finish or both, in the name of Jesus. The lesson, whatever it may have been was inflammatory and inciteful. I doubt the teacher would have had the stones to give the class a few pages of the Quran and tell them to use the loo and wipe their backsides with those pages.

    That's just as symbolic.

    The fact that this has become the issue it has only shows that people really aren't all that mature when dealing with and showing respect for other people.

    The idea that desecrating a symbol of a divinity is equivalent to desecrating the actual divinity is an Islamic idea, not a Christian one...............

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