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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Just asking a student to do this is way over the line. I would say the same if a professor asked students to step on the name of Mohammed, and he was merely a prophet, or any other symbol that is held holy by a religious faith.
    There are two lessons here. one is to show that some people take those symbols to a higher level than other students, and the other is to show that stepping on a piece of paper is not the same as renouncing your religion. In a course about communications between people of all different sorts the assignment does focus on one of the sticky points of communicating. if it were done in something like science class i would agree with you that the purpose was completely offensive, but the purpose of the class should be to explore human communication, and this is a part of it.

    Long before the church's koran burning days, i had some fun with people online by burning bibles in their name. before you get into it, for the dollar i spent on the copies of the bible it was well worth the reaction. I burned mass produced books that cost a dollar and people freaked out like i had torched jesus himself. It is just a book to me, and to make me feel it is some sort of protected thing is ridiculous. i did not burn anyone's private keepsake religious memento. I certainly could never censor or destroy such a widely distributed work from society by burning a couple of dollar store copies. No, it was purely to show that people took things way too seriously, and they most certainly helped me with that lesson. A couple of years later those same people who sent me death threats were cheering the burning of the koran by churches. hell, some of them may even have burned a koran themselves. You really do not understand the paper contains no power unless you give it to the paper. It is just ink and some plants. It is the words that should matter over the symbol and even you cannot see that.


    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    That is what the professor and what the school said in the beginning. Is this what really happened? It seems you may be as guilty as believing one side of the story as any else is.
    I am pretty sure you don't get expelled for not doing an assignment. I did not do plenty of assignments in college, and I never got expelled for it. I may have gotten a failing grade because they were not optional assignments like this was, but I never had a teacher toss me out of school just for not doing the assignment. Certainly there would be no one left in class if that were the way the teacher handled things regularly. No, this kid went overboard in his opposition and that is why he was treated differently. had the teacher tossed everyone who didn't do assignments for him he would be a huge problem for the school and they would have already had actions against him. there is a reason this student is different, and that was his overreaction.


    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Were I in the class, I also would have been very vocal as it was way over the line. It is completely unacceptable.
    According to everything in the assignment and that was said compliance with the act was not a requirement for the assignment. It was to create discussion and recognize the effects of such an action. Insisting on not stepping on the paper and even being offended by the action were part of the lesson. making threats against a teacher was not reasonable, though I would have expected it if i were the teacher.


    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    The assignment is flawed on many levels. On this, I agree with you.



    Or a Muslim who respects Jesus as a prophet, or any sane person who has respect for religion. Were anyone to ask me to step on a paper with the name of Budda, I would also refuse and bring up the inappropriateness with the professor.
    there is respect for religion, but you are expecting people to follow your beliefs. For example it is against the rules of islam to draw pictures of the prophet muhammed. Some people take that quite seriously, but they also wish to enforce that religious law onto people who have no faith in Islam. Why should I have to obey the religious laws of something i do not even believe in? Your argument is the one used against the happiness of homosexuals. Many christians feel gays should just accept they are not allowed the benefits of marriage, and the happiness of such a thing to respect a religion that has no respect for them. If you wish to abide by the rules of a religion that is your choice, and not one you can impose on others.

    As for the buddha thing I do believe his anti-pride stance would have certainly made him reject the idea that a piece of paper holds some divinity. Not to mention ignoring the wisdom of such an assignment and the realities it teaches you of the world because of said sanctified pretext over a piece of paper is probably not a part of his teachings either. What you are referring to is the basic tenant of materialism. That worthless piece of paper becomes important and valuable to you, and because of that you cause problems for yourself and others. Not very mindful if you ask me.


    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    The only batcrap crazy here is the liberal Democrat professor who asked students to do such a thing.
    yeah, seeking to destroy a man's career and livelihood, along with making a national issue complete with death threats over a piece of paper and some ink is pretty damned insane.


    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Something tells me that this is a lesson that will be completely lost on the 'instructor' of the class.
    I am pretty sure he is acutely aware of the problems it has caused. After all he may never be able to return to his job because of the violent threats against him, and no other university is going to hire a problem employee that got national attention over such a silly issue. Yes, he has to live that life now. I am pretty sure he is well aware of it.
    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Perhaps the prof isn't the only who needs lessons in respect. I think the student will be fine. The instructor should never again be allowed in the halls of an instutition of higher learning as a teacher.
    It was a piece of paper, and that is this guys life. not very mindful of you.

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    Most Christians I know do NOT mock Ramadan.
    You should visit america sometime.
    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I certainly don't. Most Christians I know don't hate on other religions.
    You should really visit america sometime.
    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I certainly don't. And the Catholics who were not pleased (not freaking out, don't get melodramatic) are in a small minority. This Catholic wasn't offended and I have actually participated in the foot washing ceremony before with women in the group of twelve.
    You are not the pope, so you don't matter. hasn't it ever struck you as a tad odd that a religion based around humility and care for the poor would have a religious head that has more pomp than brittany Spears? One of the biggest complaints about the new pope is he isn't being an icon like the last one. Christians want the golden idol. When the highest person in their religion got beneath the feet of a woman it scared the hell out of them. that is a problem.
    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    And that lunatic who burned the Qur'an was a fringe minority as well. You like to pick on the fringe minority while ignoring the fact that the vast majority of Christians are kind, hardworking, forgiving and tolerant people.
    The vast majority of christians watch while their leaders do these things, and never object or stop giving to encourage those actions. Those people are part of christianity and it's effects on the world. They like to sweep that part under the carpet and pretend those people don't count, but they do the will of the church because the church will never oppose them. There is one thing i respected about scientology. They will go after anyone who uses their material. granted it is greed oriented, but we all know that is scientology because they make sure to try and destroy anyone who acts in their name without permission. The christian church tends to let those groups go out and act in their name and then condemns them from afar without ever doing anything to stop them. It is like those kids in Ohio who stood around filming and taking pictures as their friends raped and tortured a girl mentally for a few days. Yeah, they did not do the physical act, but they still filmed it and were silent about it. They still let it happen right in front of them without doing anything. If that counts for doing something to you, then that is great for you, but I won't respect silence as actually doing anything to stop an act they supposedly think is wrong. In this case their lack of actions speaks far more about their true intent than their occasional wagging finger and a wink.
    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    As for gay marriage, that is a completely different issue entirely, but that is not a discussion for this thread.
    Actually it is related to the message of the lesson. gay marriage means little to nothing to christians because they don't regard it as real. Sort of like how an atheist is not going to have much trouble stepping on a piece of paper with jesus written on it. You seem to find that piece of paper to take on a sanctified value and want others to respect your opinion about what is essentially garbage to most people. I am telling you that christians disrespect other's beliefs and happiness like in the case of this teacher. you want the teacher to be held accountable for not recognizing the value of a piece of paper while you try to ignore christians who don't recognize the commitment of love and marriage for homosexuals which as an institution they claim to hold dear and sanctified. They are related, and you keep on ignoring the lesson. not very mindful of you.

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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Teachers are authority figures in a classroom. Some people, including many Mormons, still believe that they should be respected and remember, they have the power of the grade.
    So you are saying the "force" is determined by the individual's understanding of the teacher's authority?


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    Was that the name of 'Jesus'? You obviously didn't read my post very closely. You also obviously didn't read my reply to another post in which this was already brought up.
    Do you think the Koran is a symbol related to the fundamental beliefs held by a large number of people?

    Is there a difference in asking people to desecrate their own sacred symbol (when they have a choice not to) and desecrating the symbols of someone else?
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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    When I was adopting kids, I attended a series of parenting classes. In one session we had to take 5 index cards and write on each of them five of the most important things to us in our lives. After doing so, the woman teaching the class had us choose one, crumple it up and throw it in the trash can as she walked around the room. She did this for each of the cards until it got to the last one....the card that listed the MOST important thing in our lives. Many of us had GOD on the card. It was very difficult for many to crumple it up and throw it away...it was very powerful and brought tears to almost everybody in the room. It was an incredible lesson however to understand the lives of these children who's lives have been destroyed and they have lost everything. Once you get over the idea that you are not "crumpling up and throwing GOD away" and accept the value of the lesson being taught, you can understand how this lesson would not have had the same effect if the images had not been so powerful.
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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Yeah you go learn respect and loyalty to an individual (even if said individual is dead) ------- not to a political party or communist collectivist party but to someone you trust and love. then piss on their grave....

    Because that is the only way I can comprehend such nonsense you're defending when jumping on "JESUS" is a logical lesson plan.

    What the **** am I supposed to learn about that?

    What the **** is the moral of that lesson?

    Paper is bad or Jesus is bad? or maybe we need to deny our religion and subscribe to more secular ideas? like communism....
    Im pretty sure he never had to step on the paper dude. Im pretty sure he got expelled for all the other **** in his record. Expelling him because he wouldnt step on jesus just doesnt make any sense at all.
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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by Cable View Post
    Christ is not meaningless to many of us. It wasn't stomping a piece of paper. This is what you are not getting.
    You want me to get that you sanctify a peice of garbage by writing the word jesus on it, and yes i don't get it. It is still garbage. I understand some people take it seriously, but it is a piece of paper, and not an excuse to make death threats, destroy someone's life, or to act like an imbecile.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cable View Post
    You rightly call out that the lesson was really poorly designed, and I applaud you for this bit of honesty.
    yeah, you didn't understand what i said because if you did you would realize i thought it fit for devout christians and no one else. To get the lesson the non-christians should have had to stomp on something they cared about. Of course, without the sanctity of faith it would be hard to make garbage hard to step on. But yes i do agree the assignment had value to the christians who would be offended at the action.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cable View Post
    But what you gloss over is the fact that Christ and Christians are regularly stomped on by those in academia and often in the media as well.
    Do you need some help nailing yourself to that imaginary cross?
    Quote Originally Posted by Cable View Post
    This students reaction wasn't over the top. It was simply an accumulated outrage at the constant assault on his faith.
    Says the guy who thinks you can sanctify garbage with a few letters and a sharpie. I have a question, if someone carved jesus into a turd would you have problems flushing it? Or would you put it up on your mantle next to your cross?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cable View Post
    Had the lesson instructed students to write something they hold sacred or in great respect and then step on it, the lesson may have worked, as you indicate. As it is, it specifically said write "Jesus" on the paper. This shows the serious prejudice oft displayed in our places of learning against the Christian faith.
    No, it showed the lazy of the teacher and writer of the assignment. It should have been personalized, but instead the assignment chose the most common sanctified attribute of american society. But still, even that has it's value as one should have learned it was different for every student, and not everyone sanctifies garbage once jesus is written on it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cable View Post
    You may paint "Christan's" as intolerant, and certainly there are some, but this isn't Christ. I've gone to many churches over the years, and never have I heard from the pulpit any direction or desire to stomp on other faiths, nor sinners.
    I remember after 9/11 some Muslims came to our church, a very large church made up of primarily white middle class folks. They wanted to show their empathy with the Christians after such a horrendous attack. The pastor made a point of introducing them as such, and the response was an immediate and unrehearsed standing ovation for their courage and empathy. Those are the Christians I know.
    That is nice, and it is uncommon. Most christians are there because god is a great back up for bossy. Sorry, but one example almost 12 years ago is pretty sad considering that every day they do nasty things in the name of jesus. Maybe if all the supposed good christians started actually talking to their prejudiced brothers and sisters about the unconditional love of jesus and that they simply are not getting it right things might change. instead you just silently ignore it when it happens and throw up some meaningless moment that is supposed to make up for allt he crap dumped in every american community every single day by christians in the name of jesus. Do you really think jesus himself would ask for the destruction of some guy's life over a piece of paper with his name on it? The guy allowed himself to be tortured and nailed to a cross and supposedly forgave the people who did it. I am pretty sure he would be more forgiving to the teacher than most of his followers are.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cable View Post
    Your rant is about how stupid the person was, and how meaningless the "paper" was, and "get over yourselves."
    You have failed the lesson.
    Well, I can accept failure. i do hope that you are right about things and someday you will be in front of jesus explaining how you hate someone over a piece of paper when he died on the cross while forgiving his attackers as an ultimate example to you. that will be amusing when you make jesus cry over your failure to learn.

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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Truly amazing the way some people, competent and sufficiently intelligent to operate a computer keyboard, show a complete and utter inability to read the simple English words found in newspaper articles and websites.

    The only places we find the words "stomp" and "force" are in those radical right sites (and comments) that promote some bizarre, never existent, society that would surely result in third-world lives for the vast majority of Americans.

    Some who label themselves "Libertarian" do appear to better fit the label "Authoritarian" as they demand that others act only in ways they, the pseudo-Libertarians, deem appropriate
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by marywollstonecraft View Post
    why are they in the wrong?

    are you yanks too stupid to understand that to engage in "intercultural communication" it is useful to understand how YOU react when people offend the things YOU regard as sacred?
    Because the whole point of the exercise was for people to REFUSE TO STEP ON THE PAPER, thus bringing up the discussion on symbology in society. If nobody refused to do it, they'd have nothing to talk about!
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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Because the whole point of the exercise was for people to REFUSE TO STEP ON THE PAPER, thus bringing up the discussion on symbology in society. If nobody refused to do it, they'd have nothing to talk about!
    Right, which shows that there has to be more to the story than "student gets kicked out of class for refusing to step on Jesus, which shows that liberal professors are anti Christian and are brainwashing students to be the same", or anything similar.
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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by marywollstonecraft View Post
    I'm thinking that there is a problem with your interpretation of what was going on here. A course on intercultural communications would be looking at the importance of cultural symbols. you need to look at the events in the classroom in that context. I also helps if you don't take one side of the story at face value, until you've heard the other side as well.

    the University stated that

    “We can confirm that no student has been expelled, suspended or disciplined by the university as a result of any activity that took place during this class

    however it appears that there is an allegation of misconduct against the student:

    "Rotela is facing a litany of charges – including an alleged violation of the student code of conduct, acts of verbal, written or physical abuse, threats, intimidation, harassment, coercion or other conduct which threaten the health, safety or welfare of any person.”

    “In the interim, you may not attend class or contact any of the students involved in this matter – verbally or electronically – or by any other means,”

    so .... it doesn't appear he misbehaved in class (and I seriously doubt that he would have been "ordered" to stomp on the piece of paper), but at another - or other - times.

    he may have argued that the class was the catalyst for his problematic behavior.

    in general, when disciplinary action is taken against students in a university it is not done so lightly.

    It seems that what you - and he - are doing is trying to justify unacceptable behavior on the part of a student.

    Wait a minute here....From the facts we know, the class was asked to write the name "Jesus" on a piece of paper, fold it, place on the floor at their feet, and then step on it. This student did not do that, and from an interview of his attorney that I listened to yesterday, he waited until after class was over, and approached the teacher. According to his lawyer, he told the teacher that "he disapproved of the exercise, and would be reporting it up the chain, and that the teacher would be hearing from him."

    When he reported the complaint of the exercise, it was he, the student that was gone after by the University, including these so called violations of the student code...

    Then the story hits the local, and then national media, and the University backed down...

    So, are you kidding me with this crap...What a bunch of cowards, and weasels....
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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Wait a minute here....From the facts we know, the class was asked to write the name "Jesus" on a piece of paper, fold it, place on the floor at their feet, and then step on it. This student did not do that, and from an interview of his attorney that I listened to yesterday, he waited until after class was over, and approached the teacher. According to his lawyer, he told the teacher that "he disapproved of the exercise, and would be reporting it up the chain, and that the teacher would be hearing from him."

    When he reported the complaint of the exercise, it was he, the student that was gone after by the University, including these so called violations of the student code...

    Then the story hits the local, and then national media, and the University backed down...

    So, are you kidding me with this crap...What a bunch of cowards, and weasels....
    read through this thread, and this one: http://www.debatepolitics.com/religi...h-student.html

    then get back to me.
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