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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Ordering a student out of a classroom isn't a "ban". That requires a hearing. So the story is garbled.
    The story is pretty clear that the student was indeed barred from attending class until a meeting between himself and the teacher of the class, further the school served him with a notice of possible student ethics charges as well, so I don't know what is garbled about it for you....

    Reading between the lines, I take it an altercation arose between the professor and student, and things got heated. Whose fault it was is hard to stay, but professors should keep their cool in general.
    I agree that both parties should have remained calm about the situation, and possibly the student could have just got up and exited the class at that point. We don't know how the situation exactly escalated, but the exercise could have been foreseen to have caused problems with students of faith, so I am surprised that any level headed teacher would attempt to make their point in that way.
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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Don't you just love how the CBS station here takes the side of the University in the headline?

    More.....





    You have got to be kidding here....What the heck is going on in these classrooms of supposed "higher education"?



    How typical. Marxist educrats playing semantic games with the story to deflect, and distort their reprehensible actions thus far....



    wow, what a little Nazi authoritarian this educrat view themselves as....Let's see, Marxist teacher wants to make a point about their own beliefs in atheism, So he/she devises a participatory exercise in making people do something that some may find wrong, even shocking, and when confronted by a student that refuses to participate in that exercise, Marxist teacher goes after the dissenter in true Alinsky fashion....

    I don't know why anyone pays for this **** anymore....

    Thoughts....
    I'm thinking that there is a problem with your interpretation of what was going on here. A course on intercultural communications would be looking at the importance of cultural symbols. you need to look at the events in the classroom in that context. I also helps if you don't take one side of the story at face value, until you've heard the other side as well.

    the University stated that

    “We can confirm that no student has been expelled, suspended or disciplined by the university as a result of any activity that took place during this class

    however it appears that there is an allegation of misconduct against the student:

    "Rotela is facing a litany of charges – including an alleged violation of the student code of conduct, acts of verbal, written or physical abuse, threats, intimidation, harassment, coercion or other conduct which threaten the health, safety or welfare of any person.”

    “In the interim, you may not attend class or contact any of the students involved in this matter – verbally or electronically – or by any other means,”

    so .... it doesn't appear he misbehaved in class (and I seriously doubt that he would have been "ordered" to stomp on the piece of paper), but at another - or other - times.

    he may have argued that the class was the catalyst for his problematic behavior.

    in general, when disciplinary action is taken against students in a university it is not done so lightly.

    It seems that what you - and he - are doing is trying to justify unacceptable behavior on the part of a student.
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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    Having read about this elsewhere, I can point out that the lesson (as written in the text book at least) has nothing to do with atheism. The demonstration is about the power of words and symbols.

    There are clearly not enough details public to make a definitive statement (nor should there be). In general, a student should be free to refuse to actually carry out the demonstration and shouldn't suffer in any way for that. Equally though, that refusal should be made calmly and reasonably. Given the reported code of conduct charges, there is an accusation that he crossed that line at some point in the sequence of events (meaning he hasn't been disciplined yet and may well not be at all). Exactly when, how, why and indeed if that happened isn't at all clear.

    Jumping to conclusions, throwing out terms like Marxist and Nazi is totally inappropriate given the lack of information. Ironically, it's the kind of knee-jerk reaction that can lead to cases like this in the first place.

    Incidentally, the CBS headline you quote reads like a straight statement of facts. Maybe you perceive bias in it because neutral headlines are such a rarity in the media.
    Fine, now explain why of all the symbols availble choose one that any thinking human would say "I think it best we not choose a religious figure for obvious reasons". Why not JFK or MLK or Obama?
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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by rhinefire View Post
    Fine, now explain why of all the symbols availble choose one that any thinking human would say "I think it best we not choose a religious figure for obvious reasons". Why not JFK or MLK or Obama?
    I would hazard a guess that by using the name "jesus" as a symbol, it would be more likely to demonstrate to a greater number of students how powerful a word can be.

    I also doubt the students were "ordered" to step on the paper.

    It was more likely to get them to discuss how they felt about doing so, and to explore why they felt the way they did.

    It would be a very worthwhile exercise in helping the students to understand how what they say can impact on others.
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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    well, I guess her lesson half worked. It showed what a powerful influence a word can have.

    Pity people don't understand that insulting sacred symbols of other cultures is just as bad.
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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Obviously, the professor was wrong.

    and now we have the anti education voices wanting to generalize his actions to the rest of the educational system. One idiot in the classroom makes the rest look bad, doesn't he?

    In education, it is the 1% that makes the other 99% look bad. In politics, it is the 99% that makes that 1% look bad.
    I don't think she was wrong.

    she may have expected her students to be more mature than this kid. that was her only mistake.
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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    If this lesson was truly about the power of a word then why wasn't the
    word " Allah" or " Muhammed " ?

    I wouldn't have done it either.
    because it would not demonstrate to THESE students how powerful a word is.
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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The funniest thing is that if you read the instructions for the exercise, it says that most people will hesitate or refuse to step on the paper and this is an opening to discuss word biases in a social situation. The teacher and the university are both totally in the wrong on this one.
    why are they in the wrong?

    are you yanks too stupid to understand that to engage in "intercultural communication" it is useful to understand how YOU react when people offend the things YOU regard as sacred?
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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by dolphinocean View Post
    That isn't the effective way to demonstrate the power of words and symbols.

    The best and proven way is to write the words "allah" and "mohammed" with arabic symbols and then tell the students to stomp it under their feet. I guarantee you heads will roll and properties will be burnt while humdreds and thousands of irrate muslims worldwide will come out in droves demanding for American bloods.

    Heck, just burnt the quran or draw a cartoon of mohammed and see what will happen.
    but THESE students would not have learnt WHY those words have the power to cause a strong reaction.
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    Re: FAU Student Claims He Was Suspended For Refusing To Step On Jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    To try to make her absurd method point, she could have legally used "Obama" or "mother" to stomp on.

    Requiring someone to stop on the name of a person God? And suspending the student for not doing so? Wow, if ever there was a lawsuit for violating separation of church and state - from the pro-religion side - that might be it. Using public funds to have people stomp on their God's name???

    COULD YOU IMAGINE IF the teacher had instead had students write "Barack Hussein Obama" on the paper and then to stomp on it?

    As for trying to show "the power of words" since only 1 student refused, the professor disproved her point. In addition, the professor - with the suspension - proved the only true power words have concerns punitive censorship by the powers that be.
    where does it say the student was suspended for not stomping on the word Jesus?
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