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    Re: Karl Rove: 'I Could' Imagine Next GOP Presidential Nominee Supporting Gay Marriag

    Quote Originally Posted by MrLiberty View Post
    Actually the government has no need to be involved in marriage. They have no business to know who you are marrying. It's time to get the government out of our lives.
    Strange timing, don't you think? When divorce rates rose, and national conversation about the marriage institution was under discussion, few would ever suggest this would be an acceptable consideration. When homosexuals and their allies want to gain entrance, suddenly, no government-backed marriages seems to be a good idea.
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    Re: Karl Rove: 'I Could' Imagine Next GOP Presidential Nominee Supporting Gay Marriag

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    Formerly in American history Presidential nominees operated basically independently of their Party platform (the most famous example is probably that of the Democratic peace platform of 1864, which was unceremoniously ignored by the Democratic candidate, General George McClellan). That wouldn't fly today, because the political process has been altered to make a point of neutering nominees before they even get to the ballot.
    Correct, but a compromise could be where Democratic Candidate supports federal endorsement of gay marriage, Republican candidate could support a state path, while making clear he personally supports the concept of gay marriage.
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    Re: Karl Rove: 'I Could' Imagine Next GOP Presidential Nominee Supporting Gay Marriag

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Correct, but a compromise could be where Democratic Candidate supports federal endorsement of gay marriage, Republican candidate could support a state path, while making clear he personally supports the concept of gay marriage.
    My point is that I don't think you'd ever get a Republican National Convention to pass a platform even allowing for a State's rights take on the issue of gay marriage. Our right-wing libertarian friends will huff, and they will puff, and... then they'll fall right in line behind a platform calling for a Federal Marriage Amendment, because selling out is What They Do.
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    Re: Karl Rove: 'I Could' Imagine Next GOP Presidential Nominee Supporting Gay Marriag

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    If it really matters to you - I've gotten pretty "hot" with chicks in public (bars or private venues) and you want to know what happened? "security" told us to knock it off....

    So why shouldn't those same rules apply to gays?

    Gays probably have more liberty at gay bars than heterosexual people do at "normal bars."

    I just don't want to see two guys at Denny's making out while I'm trying to eat my breakfast - but that is the type of crazy **** gays do...

    That **** isn't progress it's disrespectful.... There is always a time and place for everything but gays don't understand that.

    Funny how gay conservatives realize that but gay progressives don't.
    Gay bars are private businesses. What goes on in there is up to the business owners.

    That you are so knowledgeable and concerned with what happens in a gay bar makes me wonder if you frequently patronize them.


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    Re: Karl Rove: 'I Could' Imagine Next GOP Presidential Nominee Supporting Gay Marriag

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    My point is that I don't think you'd ever get a Republican National Convention to pass a platform even allowing for a State's rights take on the issue of gay marriage. Our right-wing libertarian friends will huff, and they will puff, and... then they'll fall right in line behind a platform calling for a Federal Marriage Amendment, because selling out is What They Do.
    Ever is such a jaded term with political platforms! It may or may not be in this upcoming Presidential election cycle, but it will likely come soon (by the time the next President's first term is over).
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    Re: Karl Rove: 'I Could' Imagine Next GOP Presidential Nominee Supporting Gay Marriag

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Correct, but a compromise could be where Democratic Candidate supports federal endorsement of gay marriage, Republican candidate could support a state path, while making clear he personally supports the concept of gay marriage.
    Oh, fiddlesticks.....................

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    Re: Karl Rove: 'I Could' Imagine Next GOP Presidential Nominee Supporting Gay Marriag

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    Oh, fiddlesticks.....................
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    Re: Karl Rove: 'I Could' Imagine Next GOP Presidential Nominee Supporting Gay Marriag

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Ever is such a jaded term with political platforms! It may or may not be in this upcoming Presidential election cycle, but it will likely come soon (by the time the next President's first term is over).
    If it happens, I suspect the process will basically follow the same path that the Equal Rights Amendment took in the Republican platform. If I recall correctly, it was added to the GOP platform in either 1940 or 1944, and then... just sort of sat there for four decades before being quietly removed in 1984. The same thing will probably happen with the Federal Marriage Amendment that's been in the Republican platform since the 1990s.
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    Re: Karl Rove: 'I Could' Imagine Next GOP Presidential Nominee Supporting Gay Marriag

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    If it happens, I suspect the process will basically follow the same path that the Equal Rights Amendment took in the Republican platform. If I recall correctly, it was added to the GOP platform in either 1940 or 1944, and then... just sort of sat there for four decades before being quietly removed in 1984. The same thing will probably happen with the Federal Marriage Amendment that's been in the Republican platform since the 1990s.
    Equal Rights Amendment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The Republican Party included support of the ERA in its platform beginning in 1940, renewing the plank every four years until 1980.[8]
    Yes, I think the Federal Marriage Amendment in the Republican platform will, in the best-case scenario, follow this course, as unfortunate as it is.
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    Re: Karl Rove: 'I Could' Imagine Next GOP Presidential Nominee Supporting Gay Marriag

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    I'd appreciate if you didn't lecture me for comments you didn't understand the context of. I was referring to overt public displays of affection, where I find it socially unacceptable regardless of sexual orientation. That is what I was referring to about the separate set of rules.
    Fair enough. I apologize for misconstruing your post. Many people have referred to the securing of SSM rights as granting special rights for gays. I assumed that's what you were doing. Consider my comment a rebuttal to that, even though that's not what you were saying.
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