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    Re: Karl Rove: 'I Could' Imagine Next GOP Presidential Nominee Supporting Gay Marriag

    They are going to have to sooner or later. Times are changing and people are switching and changing their minds on the whole gay marriage "issue".


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    Re: Karl Rove: 'I Could' Imagine Next GOP Presidential Nominee Supporting Gay Marriag

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I was talking about public show of affection, or being as gay as possible just to prove to the world that an individual is gay in a belligerent manner.
    Have you ever kissed your girlfriend in public? It should be different for gays because.....?

    Do you actually know any gay people, or is your knowledge limited to TV movies?

    Of all the gay people I know, not one of them tries to act "as gay as possible."


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    Re: Karl Rove: 'I Could' Imagine Next GOP Presidential Nominee Supporting Gay Marriag

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Oh there is a massive fracture (actually a few) within the republican party...

    I like it tho, at least we have brains and debate and exchange ideas amongst one another unlike the other side (progressives) that is totally cohesive on every issue. Debate is good - it's healthy...
    I thought you weren't a Republican.


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    Re: Karl Rove: 'I Could' Imagine Next GOP Presidential Nominee Supporting Gay Marriag

    I think about the same about both hetor or gay public displays of affection (unless it is two very hot women). I dont really want to watch otherwise.
    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Have you ever kissed your girlfriend in public? It should be different for gays because.....?

    Do you actually know any gay people, or is your knowledge limited to TV movies?

    Of all the gay people I know, not one of them tries to act "as gay as possible."
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    Re: Karl Rove: 'I Could' Imagine Next GOP Presidential Nominee Supporting Gay Marriag

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Contract law is contract law and marriage is (allegedly) contract but it's not - when it comes to marriage there are exceptions (which I hate BTW).

    Laws shouldn't have exceptions.

    No, the government doesn't regulate contract... There is such a thing called civil law (or in this case contract).
    I can see where you'd say all the above, but everything has exceptions, exemptions, and exclusions.

    But the Government does step in on contract law, does all the time, what is or isn't allowed in a contract, everything from credit to buildings. Civil law, common law, are functions of the Government. Who enforces civil law?

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    Re: Karl Rove: 'I Could' Imagine Next GOP Presidential Nominee Supporting Gay Marriag

    Quote Originally Posted by Bassman View Post
    You mean make the GOP become so Liberal that it's just an arm of the Dumbfuque Party? Where would there be any distinction then?
    Do you think the GOP is defined by one issue?
    There is an entire landscape out there. Gay marriage is just one issue.
    And regardless of your opinions above, the historic Republican stance on gay issues WILL cost them votes...

    The thing that kills me about the issue is that the Republican stance often comes to contradicting the majority will within the party.
    For example, when gays in the military was more recently a hot issue, polls showed a majority of Republicans felt the ban should be ended.
    But the official party line held for the ban.
    The official party platform caters to the more extreme, while arguing against the majority within their own party.
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    Re: Karl Rove: 'I Could' Imagine Next GOP Presidential Nominee Supporting Gay Marriag

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Have you ever kissed your girlfriend in public? It should be different for gays because.....?

    Do you actually know any gay people, or is your knowledge limited to TV movies?

    Of all the gay people I know, not one of them tries to act "as gay as possible."
    It's different because homosexuality is abnormal - because it is NORMAL for a man and woman to be together, because 98% of the population is heterosexual...

    I suppose anyone could show up to work in an Donald Duck suit as well and make the same argument you're attempting to make then say "well some employees at Disneyland dress up as Donald Duck."

    May as well go to Saudi Arabia and crack a 40 oz bottle of beer and say "so what we drink this **** back home."

    I'd bet anything that the majority of individuals that are for "civil unions" would be opposed to gays making out in public..

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    Re: Karl Rove: 'I Could' Imagine Next GOP Presidential Nominee Supporting Gay Marriag

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I can see where you'd say all the above, but everything has exceptions, exemptions, and exclusions.

    But the Government does step in on contract law, does all the time, what is or isn't allowed in a contract, everything from credit to buildings. Civil law, common law, are functions of the Government. Who enforces civil law?
    Arbitrators step in - not the government.

    A contract is de facto law - hence a contract. A contract is nothing more than an agreement between two (or more) individuals.

    That's the best I can do trying to be brief and not complicate the idea of a contract.

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    Re: Karl Rove: 'I Could' Imagine Next GOP Presidential Nominee Supporting Gay Marriag

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I thought you weren't a Republican.
    Not a "modern republican."

    I don't like the present day language used to describe political affiliation. People use republican and liberal too loosely, I prefer preciseness when labels are thrown around.

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    Re: Karl Rove: 'I Could' Imagine Next GOP Presidential Nominee Supporting Gay Marriag

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    It's different because homosexuality is abnormal - because it is NORMAL for a man and woman to be together, because 98% of the population is heterosexual...
    So it's not about personal freedom, it's about normal and abnormal?

    I suppose anyone could show up to work in an Donald Duck suit as well and make the same argument you're attempting to make then say "well some employees at Disneyland dress up as Donald Duck."
    What you do on your spare time is not up to me. I think most people would get fired for wearing a Donald Duck suit, but there's no need for the government to step in. If you want to wear one, and your employer is OK with it, fine by me.

    May as well go to Saudi Arabia and crack a 40 oz bottle of beer and say "so what we drink this **** back home."
    Well, that's actually illegal in Saudi Arabia, so it's not really the same thing.

    I'd bet anything that the majority of individuals that are for "civil unions" would be opposed to gays making out in public..
    I personally don't like when anybody goes at it in public. There's a little kiss and then there's foreplay.


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